SPEAKER_00 0:00

My aunt has a smart fridge and it's the worst thing in the world. Because I like yes, you can technically play music out of your fridge.

SPEAKER_03 0:08

Where you're like, Oh yeah, hey Siri, play this reggaeton on my fridge.

SPEAKER_00 0:14

Absolutely. Okay, but like it's so small on the inside because it needs so much space for that stupid screen. And she's like, but hold on. You can see what's inside of the fridge from outside.

SPEAKER_03 0:28

From the outside. Oh yeah, you could just open the door. Yeah, and that's it. And be done. And like and and not have to click on something and raise your electricity bills because you couldn't go like this.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Just open the door. She says she used to make her uncles laugh just to get out of kitchen duty. Growing up in a multicultural interfaith house in Chicago, storytelling wasn't a hobby for her. It was survival. I've never once talked my way out of dishes in my life, and now I'm sitting here wondering where I went wrong. Welcome back to Elisa Will Say, where we talk pop culture, comedy, and the specific weird stuff that never makes the press kit. Welcome to my brain. I'm Elisa, your host for and I'll admit, I got a little too excited for this one because it turns out my guest today spent part of her childhood in Brownsville, Texas, same as me. Small world, big twang, baby. She's actually started college as a pre-med student, which by her own account did not go well before she landed at Second City Conservatory and never looked back. And my guest today. Boy, does she know how to turn a total pre-med fail into a sold-out, award-winning one-woman show. We're talking Mexistani, her short film Ground Nuts, and a screenplay that won her $25,000 through the CBS Pipeline program, money she turned around and donated to a Los Angeles Immigration Legal Service nonprofit. I mean. So grab a snack, get comfortable, and get ready for a conversation with a fellow Brownsville kid, turned actor, writer, producer, and director. Please welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Oh my gosh. Oh wow.

SPEAKER_03 2:34

Did I know you were in Brownsville? That we we talked about that. I think we talked about a little bit. A little bit. I think a little bit in well, because we were in Texas when we met. Yeah, it's Talifai. And um, I think I can't remember who else was around us that was like, where are you from? And where are you from? And I'm like, Chicago, spent some time in Bronzo, and then I think that's when you were like, right?

SPEAKER_00 2:59

I don't know. Are you sure? Because I feel like I would have remembered. Yeah. Although we were, I mean, look, I I was I was dying towards the end.

SPEAKER_03 3:11

South by Southwest is a sport. It's a sport.

SPEAKER_00 3:15

Yeah, it's definitely a sport. Yeah. Incredible. Incredible, dude.

SPEAKER_03 3:20

So wait, Bronzel, when were you in Bronzeville?

SPEAKER_00 3:22

Born and raised, baby, 18 years.

SPEAKER_03 3:25

Wow. Yeah. So you went from Bronzeville to Chicago. Chicago. On your own.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

Yeah. On my own. Yeah. Well I went for school. I went for for univers. Whose podcast is this? You're like, I'm interviewing you now.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

Because I was curious. I was I really loved it there. Like a music.

SPEAKER_00 3:50

How did you so w where did you start? Where were you born? Where where did you start? How did you end up there?

SPEAKER_03 3:55

Born in Chicago, born and raised in Chicago, Humboldt Park. It's a Puerto Rican and black neighborhood, uh inner city Chicago. And then it was getting a little wild, and it and uh we relocated, we moved to Brownsville, Texas, um, as if that was gonna be any more like right by the job.

SPEAKER_00 4:16

Did you have family there? Or how did you no family there? So you're just like your family just looked at a map and was like Brownsville, Texas.

SPEAKER_03 4:23

My dad, well, my dad was uh, I think I I don't know if my you know I was a kid at the time. I I don't know if my dad shared like what was happening in the neighborhood, like with his boss, coworkers, whatever. And I think his boss was like, Hey, we have a branch out there in Mexico, in Matamoros, Mexico, and you can go to Bronzeville, Texas, and then you can commute to Matamoros, but if your Spanish is not on point, you gotta get it on point. But I'm assuming since you're married to a Mexicana, that's not gonna be a problem.

SPEAKER_04 4:56

There you go.

SPEAKER_03 4:57

I think that's what happened, and then that's how we ended up going from Chicago to Texas, which at the time I was like, are we gonna have bathrooms?

SPEAKER_02 5:06

Like, I really thought sorry, sorry, what I thought, I think how old was I, eight eight years old?

SPEAKER_00 5:15

Like, sorry, we have only outhouses, there's no indoor plumbing. I really did, I really did, and I was so surprised.

SPEAKER_03 5:23

I was like, I remember we drove and we got in like at night, and uh where we were staying at. I think we we initially stayed in a hotel because our place wasn't ready yet. And I remember waking up and it was so sunny, and I opened up the the the blinds and I was like, oh my god, this is paradise! Like there were palm trees, it was a cold, like it was amazing. And so um, yeah, so that was that was Bronzel, and we stayed there for about oh my gosh, seven years? Seven years. Oh wow seven years, yeah. I was there in Susafamere, and then uh we moved back to Chicago.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

Um is that transition?

SPEAKER_03 6:05

Yeah, it was a wild transition. Um, in there somewhere, um, I was supposed to get married because I was in an arranged engagement uh on my dad's side of the family. Yes, dun thun thun.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

Whoa! I had a roommate at some point, she was like, I wish I could get an arranged marriage.

SPEAKER_03 6:25

You know, it is a lot less work on your on for you, for people, yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

So what happened?

SPEAKER_03 6:32

Um, before my sophomore year, my dad's like, okay, sit down. I have some news for you. And um Yeah, he told me he's like, You're you're engaged, and after your sophomore year, you're gonna we're gonna go to Pakistan, you're gonna get married, and you know, at that, you know, that's it. Like, that's you can decide to stay there, or you can come back to the States. It's up to you. Um, and your your soon-to-be husband. And so I was like, But I have never dated anybody, I've never even kissed anybody, dad. And he was like, smack. Like, you're not supposed to kiss anyone until you're married. And I'm like, wow, uh, that's not that's what I that's not in my mind. I'm like, that's not what I learned on TV. So um, it was scary. Uh, I dreaded the last day of school. Uh, my friends threw me seven farewell parties. And um, it was it was really, it was really rough that year. Um, I I think we approached the last day of school, and everyone was excited. Everyone has decided to like roll out, yay, it's summertime. And I'm like, no, I don't want school time.

SPEAKER_04 7:40

Marriage, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:41

And um the everything was was bought, like jewelry, dresses, there was all kinds of arrangements. And then my mom calls my dad while I was at while I was at school. She calls my dad at work and she's like, Asad, that's my dad's name, Asad. And um she's like, I have some news. I checked the mail, you know. I I realized I didn't check the mail all week uh for about two weeks. And there was a letter that came in the mail that invited Sophia to take an exam to qualify for a scholarship to for that medical medical prep high school that you want her to go to, but it's so expensive, right? To go to. And he's like, Oh my gosh, that's amazing news. That's so great. She's like, I know that's amazing, right? Oh my god. And um, she's like, but I have bad news. And he's like, How could there be bad news? This is amazing. This is a huge blessing from God. And she's like, well, the date for the exam is tomorrow, and that's the day that we're supposed to be flying to Pakistan. He's like, he thought about it, and he's like, No, no, no, no. He's she's like, No, but you know, and this is where my mom is very intelligent. She's the you know, if they say that the guy is the how the head of the household, my mom is the neck to be like, we're gonna go this way, we're gonna go this way.

SPEAKER_04 9:00

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:01

And so she was like, um, she's like, no, but you know, what are we what are we gonna say? What are we gonna do? Because we already spent all this money on the dresses, the jewelry, like the arrangements, all this and that. And he's like, no, no, the wedding is off. Um, Sophia's gonna be a doctor, and then if she's a doctor, she can marry another doctor, and then we're gonna have two doctors in the family.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

And getting full body chills, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:26

It's it was wild, but like for the whole school year, my mom, you know, never told me about any kind of a plan. She was just like, it's okay, mija, dios, dios te va a. Like, she's gonna, you know, that's gonna have your back. Yeah, and I was like, no, God's not gonna have my back. Like, what are you talking about? Because of all of that and like just things happening, um, we ended up moving back to Chicago, and so that's where I don't know if my dad saw me and was like, you know, she needs to get cultured or whatever on the more on the Pakistani side, like we're too much on the Mexican side. I don't know, I have no idea. But um, we went back to Chicago. That's why I asked you if you went to back to you, if you moved to Chicago willingly, because at the time I did not want to go to Chicago. I was like, I am good. I was getting ready to compete um internationally, like because I played the flute, I was in the band, I had my friends. We went to Chicago, and then uh I went to Von Steuben out there and joined the band, of course. And they were playing music that I played in sixth grade.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

Wow, you're like, I'm a school L you.

SPEAKER_03 10:44

I was like, oh my god. And I had an amazing band director, uh, Mr. Alexander, we called him Mr. A. And Mr. A, he saw like how much more advanced I was, and you know, was like, okay, so I guess I have a T A. So I was Mr. A is T A.

SPEAKER_04 11:03

Wow.

SPEAKER_03 11:03

And then um, I just went around helping folks um, you know, just get better and whatever. So yeah. Fast forward to college. College is where I feel like the arts side of me started to kind of fade away because then there were there were so many things that were happening social justice-wise, that the activists started to come out. And um, that took priority. Like, I mean, back then we were giving citizenship classes, we were trying to support and prevent people from getting deported. We were uh we were doing so many things. I was part of a group called Mexican Students de Aslan at the University of Illinois and Chicago. And um, I was also part of PRSA, the Puerto Rican Student Association.

SPEAKER_00 11:53

Um the pre-med stuff just kind of went away.

SPEAKER_03 11:56

It went it that all went away. All of that kind of stuff, all that went away. And then um, so then fast forward to when I'm graduating, my mindset is just solely on how do we improve every like facet of society for the greater good of mankind, right? Or humankind, I should say. And so um I started to volunteer for different uh uh politician campaigns, um, different folks that were running for office, and then um I myself was like, oh yeah, I'm running for office. As a matter of fact, I'm gonna be running for president, whatever that, whatever I gotta do to get there, like that's what I'm gonna do. Because I need like I, ever since I was a kid, I feel like anything that involved or impacted me, I wanted to have a say in it, right? So, like that, like when it came down to like my mom and dad saying, Hey, okay, so after we go to the grocery store, we're gonna go out for dinner. Okay, where? Where can we go here?

SPEAKER_00 12:59

So, how did that kind of translate to Mexistani and then LA? How did you end up there?

SPEAKER_03 13:07

So 9-11 happened. All the easy subjects this that crushed the dream uh for presidency at that at that time because I was uh working in DC. I had a lot of folks that um just you know turned turned a shoulder, you know. And I don't know if it for whatever all of the different reasons.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

You're like, I don't know why. I'm like, well, I think we know why, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:36

And then uh I came back to Chicago and um a friend whose father is very heavy into politics, um, and and some other folks around that that person um said, Hey, you know what? Um, there's this job at Bunweiser that we have.

SPEAKER_00 13:56

I was not expecting that blood twist.

SPEAKER_03 13:59

It was uh I don't know if their thought, like right now, we still joke about it to this day, like during post-9-11 anti-Islamic vibes and everything. Um, like it was, I don't know if the thought was like, you know, where do we put Sophia? Where where would it make sense for her future president to be uh you know the most patriotic place in the world to work at? Um and so it was hilarious. Um my job was to yeah, do field marketing and whatnot. Anyways, during that time I was still like this has nothing to do with bettering mankind. Like, oh my gosh, I'm what is this? Like, I feel like I was just you know withering away my talents, like watching frat guys drink Budweiser and whatever. And so um I was still in the in the dumps and um Jorge Ortiz and uh some other folks they had recommended to go to Second City, and they're like, you need a laugh, you need to like they're like, hello, you're at a you're at an LL Cool J concert for free backstage, you're meeting LL Cool J. You still gotta I I still had like an RBF face. I was like, but my mindset was still so like I failed, and it was it was it was extremely hard. And um and then Second City came in. Second City came in. Second City flipped the script, like for me, big time. I laughed so hard every day. I was just like, this is magic, like what is this? Where was this all my life? And so that's what transitioned me into then the arts and getting back to theater and all of that. And um I joined Salsation. Salsa is a comedy theater troupe, Latino comedy theater troupe in Chicago, and that continued to flip my world. I joined Rossica Theater, which is a South Asian theater company out there in Chicago. I joined Pietro Luna, who was co who which was co-founded by um by Tania Saracho out there in Chicago as well. Tanya Saracho actually gave me my first audition because she had put an ad out on Craigslist. This is what this is what you call in your audition. Craigslist. Craigslist. It wasn't actors' actress, it was Craigslist. And uh she wanted folks to do a monologue about any aspect of their identity, and so that was like the first inkling of Mexicani. And then once I joined Theatre Luna, that she like basically uh she she basically seasoned me to then uh you know further um my skills and everything. I met other amazing folk folks, Misa Reina, who just had her amazing one-person show at uh fringe, and um out came Mexicani, growing up Mexican and Pakistanian America. And so, yeah, and so that's where all of that came out.

SPEAKER_00 17:13

I also put I in my initial version of the show had a lot of my frustrations with like the post-9-11 anti-Islamic like sentiment in there because it also like bumped up against the anti-immigrant sentiment, so that's both of my sides, and so I was just like, Oh my gosh, like and then making I love comedy, I love it, I love it, I love it, and I love stand-up specifically because you get to rewrite that story, and I think that's what a one one person show is. Um, it's like you get to rewrite the story, like if you slip on a banana peel, and you know, people are laughing at you. If you talk about slipping on a banana peel, people are laughing with you, right? Uh I I didn't say that somebody smarter than me said it, and I'm just quoting it, but like that is that is the power of comedy and the power of writing. Chicago's best kept secret? It's not needed. It's Joel MySonet Photography. He's legitimately the best, and it's about time everybody knew. Actors, execs, LinkedIn Lurkers, book at mycinetphotography.com and thank me later. And now we're going to go into the power of hot cakes. They're like hot takes when they stack up real quick. We're gonna we're gonna flip the switch real quick here. I know that's not the that was that was a clunky transition, but we're still gonna go with it.

unknown 18:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

Alrighty, ready? Best taco spot in LA, no thing can go.

SPEAKER_03 19:00

Oh my gosh, some of that time on tacos.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

Deep dish as an emotional support. What's the backup when there's no deep dish around?

SPEAKER_03 19:07

Ooh. Okay, if if Lou Mal Matthie's is not around, deep dish from duh. Minnows.

SPEAKER_00 19:15

Best thing about Brownsville.

SPEAKER_03 19:17

Best thing about Brownsville? My friends. Oh my gosh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Weirdest thing about being pre-med for even one semester.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

The duh dissecting of the rana, the the the freaking frog.

SPEAKER_00 19:28

Coolest person you've ever shared a set with.

SPEAKER_03 19:30

Oh, geez, coolest person I've ever shared a set with. Okay, it wasn't uh a set, you mean like improv set? Just any kind of set. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go, go. I didn't perform with them, tribe conquest, because I set up the speakers and then I knocked out next to one of the speakers. All and I didn't I didn't wake up until midway through their set.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

Have you seen a ghost?

SPEAKER_03 19:52

Myself in the mirror, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 19:55

What's the most woo woo Pakistani thing you believe in? Mexicans have like La Llorona Chucabra. What's like the woo-muoo Pakistani thing you believe in?

SPEAKER_03 20:03

Uh the black dot behind the ear so that you don't absorb people's uh negative energy.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

Thank you so much for playing. What is what?

SPEAKER_03 20:14

So my mom, my mom does this. So before we would go to like anybody's house, she with an eyeliner, she would put like a black dot on at on the back of both of my ears, and she's like, so that this way any bad eyes it gets absorbed like in the black hole behind my earlobe.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

Ooh, I'm gonna get that tattooed.

SPEAKER_03 20:38

Well, no, but here's the thing: so when you go home, you wipe it off, and then you you're literally wiping off all whatever negative energy. And I was like, oh, really? And then now as I'm older, I'm like, man, but if there's a lot of negative energy, that's just a little very tiny dot to absorb that much energy.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

Oh, that's awesome. Also, I can tell, I can tell you've been around politics because you did the let I need to buy myself time, so let me repeat the question. That's media training in politics. I know it's like she's in media training. Oh my gosh. Okay, so quickly, this is one question that I'm trying to just like implement in the podcast, but what is one piece of advice you wish uh little Sophie knew?

SPEAKER_03 21:30

To stick with your heart in the arts. That would that would that would and I pass that on to my nephew all the time.

SPEAKER_00 21:38

Yeah. So what brought you to LA?

SPEAKER_03 21:41

Um I'll I'll be transparent on this one. Um there was someone that um I had a restraining order against in Chicago. What?

SPEAKER_00 21:52

Okay. Oh my god, your life, dude.

SPEAKER_03 21:54

So like that's I'm I'm I'm gonna be real. I'm gonna be the transparent about that. So obviously, like. Yes. Was it acting for sure? But the deeper answer is yes, that. And I was like, you know what? I said, this is a good time to go to LA.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

Um wow. You've got you you really have like a roller coaster of a life. And there's so many twists and turns. So I gotta ask, do you believe in anything weird? Like, cause I feel like almost like I I think I feel like if I had your life, I would I I don't know. I I feel like the fact that you're still here and you're positive and you're happy and you're enjoying life, like there must be something looking out for you. Um, even for just your story about sophomore year. But do you believe in ghosts, aliens, yeah, Bigfoot, anything like that? You're like, yes, I all of it.

SPEAKER_03 22:53

There are so many things that have happened in my life and my family's life, my extended family's life, that I can only like attribute to God and like his blessing, God's blessings, and everything. Um I do feel like the spirits from like growing up. Um, I unfortunately lost like two cousins of mine um in an accident. And I feel, and one of them was I one of them I was like even like super close to. And um I feel like he I I still talk to him, you know, like and I'm just like I feel like anybody you know in your family, like or folks that are close to you that have passed, I feel like that there are certain moments in your life where where there are intersections where they send a sign or they send a blessing, um, or they send someone in your path that is just like, wow, like I can't believe this is happening. And so, yeah, I totally believe in that for sure.

SPEAKER_00 23:56

Yeah. Um, what's the weirdest thing you believe in?

SPEAKER_03 24:01

That yogurt and Doritos go together?

SPEAKER_00 24:03

Like stall, are you freaking kidding me? It is so good. No, no, no. Okay, I need to know what Dorito flavor and what yogurt flavor. So this is my grandfather, like raised us on this, like the classic Doritos and yogurt, the cheese Doritos, yes, and like uh just regular plain Greek yogurt, or like right either Greek yogurt or regular plain Dan yogurt, and then that's it.

SPEAKER_03 24:33

I mean, and it was so funny because I had always thought yogurt was a dip um growing up. Oh, and so when I saw it and this and that, I was like, oh, that's gross. And then my friends at school would be like, oh, that's gross. Like, what do you are you dipping your Doritos in your yogurt? And I'm like, Yes, is it like it's amazing? It's the best thing since this bread. I'm surprised that's not how they sell it in the market. And then they're like, that is insane. And I'm like, my and so I grew up thinking, like, no, you guys are weird. I'm not weird. And um when you know, when you when you then when I went to Pakistan and I saw, oh, yogurt is used for like the seasoning and like the marining and the dip and the chutney, like this and that, whatever.

SPEAKER_01 25:23

I'm like, oh, okay, I see where my grandfather like thought that yes, dipping the Doritos and the yogurt was the thing, like, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:31

Yeah, I mean, if it floats your boat, why not? They're both edible. I feel like that is the same as or like in the similar vein as uh in South Texas, you have hot Cheetos with cheese. Yes, and the Frito Pieso and the Frito Pies, where it's like a fr uh Fritos with uh chili and that disgustingly delicious, you know, like fake yellow cheese. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's cut bag along the side, put the foot. But I think that that actually has been commercialized, commercialized because I went to a movie theater in Brownsville not too long ago, and in the line to go to buy popcorn, yeah, there were hot Cheetos and warm cheese. Oh wow. Oh, yeah, baby.

SPEAKER_03 26:23

They they infiltrate it and let the secret out. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

Yeah. Do you like hot Cheetos with cheese?

SPEAKER_02 26:30

I Can we still be friends? I I don't know about hot Cheetos with cheese.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

You're like Doritos and yogurt is is.

SPEAKER_03 26:39

Listen, I I just I'm like, I just had my birthday um this past Thursday. Has it been a week? Yeah. And uh I'm like, you know, I gotta, I gotta like eat eat better and everything.

SPEAKER_00 26:51

And uh the synthetic cheese is uh I love that synthetic cheese. It's just like I have it twice a year now, like you know, you know, yeah, I I don't have it every time now, but uh, it's just something that I love. And every time I tell people, I'm like, no, no, no, I know it sounds weird, you gotta try it. And once they try it, it's like ah, I get it. Okay, before we wrap up, um, this has been incredible. We didn't even get into all your amazing projects because that's how rich your life is. Um, but I wanted to talk about programming Casanoho.

SPEAKER_03 27:27

Yes, so um Casa Noho has been such an amazing catalyst for so many creatives to get together during these times, and I have been to so many events there. Um, my wife just threw an amazing surprise birthday party for me there too.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

Your wife is the best. Oh my gosh. She was like, You need to talk to that person, you need to. And I'm like, Are you running this as well? She's like, I am now.

SPEAKER_02 27:53

That's right, because I sprained my ankle at South by Southwest. So she she she she just put me in a corner at the happy hour and would bring people to you.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

But not even just to you, she would bring it to other people. She'd be like, Oh, you're a producer, you're yeah, yeah, she's a connector. Anyway, yeah, happy, happy surprise birthday. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 28:13

But yes, it was um, I feel like Casanoho, it's just been uh Bende Jesus and Sandy Hernandez um has they've been amazing at just being with their eyes all right, with their eyes wide open. Oh my god. Yes, their eyes are wide open, but their arms are wide open as well. With their arms wide open, just welcoming all the creatives in. And it's such an amazing compound, like uh for hosting any kind of event and um overall production. Like it's they have trailer homes, they have like a whole house in the back. Wow. Um when uh I think it was last December, as part of LA Directors Lab, um, we filmed there, we filmed our murder mystery uh both of the seasons of this murder murder mystery series there, and it was amazing. It was just so amazing. Everything that we needed was there. And uh it's so listen, when you can be in a production, when you can be in a set, and then you can go to the bathroom, and it's like a decent bathroom. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 29:23

I'm sensing the theme with you in bathrooms of like, is Brownsville gonna be okay with bathrooms?

SPEAKER_02 29:29

You're like, instead of okay with bathrooms.

SPEAKER_03 29:31

Yeah, it's so nuts when you go to I mean, I was in Colombia like not too long ago, and uh there was one location we were at, and man, we the bathroom, the doors didn't work, the toilets didn't work seats.

SPEAKER_00 29:44

That is trying to poop while the door doesn't lock, you're it's so stressful. I understand.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

Especially when you're wearing a jumpsuit, forget it. Stop!

SPEAKER_00 30:00

Well, thank you so much for being on the podcast. You have been a true delight. Um, people can find you on Instagram at Hey Sophie Khan K-H-A-N. Um, this has been so fun. Thank you. I mean that's Sophie with an F. At Sophie with an F. Oh my goodness, that was incredible. That was so much fun. I felt like I was talking to like a relative. Super sweet, super amazing. We couldn't get into all of her amazing projects that she's working on and all of her accomplishments because honestly, we just needed more time. Um but please, please, please go check out Casa Noho and please follow Sophie Khan at Hey Sophie Khan. That's Sophie with an F and K-H-A-N. So incredible, so amazing. Trust me, you will see her name everywhere soon. Appreciate you uh tuning in. If you liked any of this, if you giggled, if you are now gonna try Doritos and yogurt, I mean, you know, let me know how it goes. Thank you so much for tuning in. Love ya, bye. Ilse Will Say is an Intrepid entertainment podcast produced and edited by Jacob Cagle, music by Eric Bacchus, and photography by Joel Mysenet, and I am your host, Ilse Sacharia Rivera. The views and opinions expressed on Ilse Will Say are entirely those of the host and guests, and do not reflect the views of any employers, sponsors, or innocent bystanders. This podcast is for entertainment purposes only. Nothing said here should be taken as professional advice, expert opinion, legal guidance, or a reason to DMSU conspiracy theories. We're here for the laps, y'all. Carry on.