SPEAKER_02 0:00

Um, okay, let me uh do a proper introduction here.

SPEAKER_00 0:04

Hopefully my coffee drinking isn't too noisy.

SPEAKER_02 0:06

No, it's all good. I'm glad to have another coffee drinker because I've had only tea drinkers on for the last three episodes. I would like to be a tea drinker, and I tried for a few weeks, and then the headaches were just like mm-mm. The caffeine headaches. Caffeine was like, I I have I have my claws on you. You must come back.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:27

Green team, just mm-mm.

SPEAKER_00 0:29

Can't trust those fuckers.

SPEAKER_02 0:30

No. You need the jitters.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

Oh, am I allowed to swear? Sorry.

SPEAKER_02 0:33

Yeah, you totally are.

unknown 0:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 0:35

If I call tea drinkers fuckers. Yeah, sorry. My bad. Sorry. Sorry.

unknown 0:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:42

We gotta go. We gotta get. Before he was orchestrating for Andrea Bacelli and René Fleming, he was fixing segues and running tours around downtown Chicago. Somewhere between those two jobs, he became one of the busiest composers and arts leaders in the city. Welcome back to Ilse Will Say, the show where we get past the resume and into the actual person behind it. Welcome to my brain. I'm Ilse, your host, currently running on a cappuccino and a to-do list. I will absolutely not finish today. And my guest today, boy, does he know how to wear every hat in the arts world at once. He's a Filipino-American composer and arts manager whose music has filled Carnegie Hall, okay? The Kennedy Center, and the, I'm gonna butcher this, Bolshoi Theater in Moscow. He's shared the stage with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra at Ravinia, scored over 30 films, and somehow also finds time to run not one, not two, but three arts organization as executive director. He's a recording academy governor. I don't know what that means, a publishing company founder, and the kind of person who will hand you a ticket sales spreadsheet with the same enthusiasm. He'll hand you a concerto. Please welcome Tim Corvez!

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Oh man, that was wonderful. Longtime listener, first time caller.

SPEAKER_01 2:18

What is a recording academy governor?

SPEAKER_00 2:20

Like, do you govern-cause like a board member?

SPEAKER_01 2:23

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:23

They're just called governors, but like the each sit like the Chicago chapter on that board. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:30

Okay, awesome, awesome. I was like, what does he govern? Like the recording.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

I have my own territory.

SPEAKER_02 2:37

So, real quick, how did you kind of get to where you are right now? Because that is quite a resume, sir.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

I'm so impressed that you know that I uh gave segue tours. That's so good. Uh that was one of my many odd uh college shops. But the answer to the question is I just said yes every time somebody asked me to do something, right? Like I uh need to pay bills, so somebody's like, hey, can you run lighting for this thing? And I did that. Um so you know, it's really just uh I was always following music. I have degrees in music and I studied music. Um I did my undergraduate degree uh at Roosevelt University, the Chicago Conservatory. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:19

Ah, I went to the conservatory too for acting.

SPEAKER_00 3:23

Wonderful.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

That's why I liked you.

SPEAKER_00 3:25

I knew there was something we're we're uh alums, which is wonderful. And then I did my master's at the University of Hartford in Connecticut.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

Okay, awesome. Awesome. And then you came back to Chicago.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

And then I came back and I was like, Will someone hire me? And nobody answered, and so I just had to kind of make it up on myself. Because, you know, like you uh you get out of grad school and there's there's nobody there to offer you a job. You kind of have to make it as you go in the arts. So yeah, it was everything from uh being a production manager, and then people just kept handing me responsibility, and then eventually somebody handed me the keys to an orchestra, and I was like, How do you drive this?

SPEAKER_02 4:03

And we learned figured it out.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 4:07

Does the the phrase fake it till you make it uh resonate? Or did you have another motto?

SPEAKER_00 4:14

Believed the opposite. I think when I was younger, it was like, no, you should, you know, and I'm not an A student, but I was like, no, you have to like do the thing, know how to do it, and then or yeah, learn how to do it and then do the thing. It's the complete opposite in the real world. No. I very much live by the kind of fake it to you, make it well also I think after you've had a few jobs, you've lived a little bit of life, you kind of see the patterns, you know, you work with the same types of people, everything's just dealing with personalities, dealing with stresses, and like you can make it through any problem if you have a team that's you know organized enough to do it.

SPEAKER_02 4:51

Yeah, yeah. So what happened between Segways and Andrea Bacelli and Renee Fleming? Like how you said yes, yes, yes, yes to things, but how was there a trajectory or was it kind of like a a little like a roller coaster?

SPEAKER_00 5:06

Uh it was totally a roller coaster because I was composing music still, you know, some groups would perform it, and then you meet more people, right? And you meet more and more people. Same thing as if you're in production and I'm setting a stage, I meet more musicians. Those musicians happen to need music, and you know, so like the the piece that the Chicago Symphony Orchestra played last summer, uh, that was actually commissioned by our alma mater, Roosevelt University a year before that, and that was because of a relationship I had with the conductor from 12 years before that. So, you know, like so much, so much of the the path that we take, the opportunities, they're just right place, right time, and a lot of them have to incubate. So, you know, from Segway, I actually was working with a lot of actors. Uh and so, you know, you kind of you kind of learn a lot about the the acting scene. They were all trying to do film and TV as well. Yeah, I all I've always loved film and TV and the scoring around that, so that was always something I was wanting to do. It was just kind of eventually the opportunities for that came up.

SPEAKER_02 6:07

I did see at some point right out of college that they were hiring Segway tour guides, but my balance is so terrible.

SPEAKER_00 6:15

There were actually had so you have not been on a Segway.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

I have not been on a Segway because at one point I went on a like a Wii pad, remember? What a terrible gadget. But I went on there and it said it said that my balance was love of a 50-some-year-old, like 57-year-old. I was like 21.

SPEAKER_00 6:33

I was like, I'm good. I don't think you're like, hold on, hold my beer. I'll be fine.

SPEAKER_01 6:38

I was sober.

SPEAKER_02 6:39

That's the that's the problem, yeah. I think at some point, I had a friend who was a tour guide, and at some point the segue ended up in the lake.

SPEAKER_00 6:48

Um I know who you're talking about, and I was there.

SPEAKER_03 6:54

No way!

SPEAKER_00 6:54

Yeah, no, I know exactly what you're talking about. I was training this person, and let me let me set the scene for the audience. It's a beautiful summer day, and it is I'm sorry, this is so off topic. It is this kid's like 12th birthday, and this is what he wanted to do for his 12th birthday, right? And so there's like eight or ten people on this tour, this whole family, and this kid's like doing dumb stuff, weebl wobbling around, and he's way in like the back, and he falls off. And the segue, the way it got works is as soon as it detects no weight on it, it shuts off. But gravity and momentum keep this thing going. So this kid falls off, and then we're just north of Navy Pier, right? And this segue's rolling, and then it rolls right off the cliff, right into the lake. Yeah. Dang. We had to write a lot of forms that day. You have to call the fire department, you can't just go down there and get it.

SPEAKER_02 7:52

Wow. Wow, that's hilarious. And and I want to talk more about this uh off the air. Um, but back back to um you and and your albums. One of my favorites, W is for waves. Oh, thank you. I think that's gonna be like a must because I don't know why. I was like, oh, uh, you know, I'm like chatting with Tim. And for some reason, these last few days, I've just been listening to classical music. And then I was like, wait, I wonder if he's on Spotify. And so I Googled you. I mean, I I I uh searched you, and you were, and I also, okay, I don't know how to say this because it's like your 2020, your pandemic album. Do you say that okay, so you do say I call it MMXX, but it is 2020. It is 2020, because I was like, what does that mean? And I was like, oh no, it's 2020.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

Um that was a hell of a year.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

I don't know if you were there, but it was it was but oh, I blocked it out of my memory.

SPEAKER_00 8:52

Yeah, yeah. It I mean, there was so much artistic fuel, I was like, I have to write something about it.

SPEAKER_02 8:57

Yeah, yeah. Grandma's piano. Um I was, of course, my see, it's so fascinating how musicians' brains work because not a chance in hell could I write a musical piece. Like I couldn't, I can't hear, like, how okay, I I have questions, but so when I was listening, my brain goes to like the funny or goes to like images, and I love grandma's piano, and my grandma is German Mennonite, and she's got uh an accordion, and I was like, What do I do, Grandma's accordion?

SPEAKER_01 9:32

And I just play it horribly, and I just parody of that that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 9:38

I love that.

SPEAKER_02 9:39

But see, like that's like my creative juices flowing. How do you put all that into a song? Especially something like MMXX.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

Yeah. Um, actually, that one I recorded. One of my really close friends lived in the suburbs, and so she had a piano that was pretty out of tune during COVID. And so I was like, that's perfect. Because my experience of going to my grandparents' house, there was this horribly out-of-tune upright piano in the basement that was the greatest sound in the world to me. You know, it's all about nostalgia. That whole album is about nostalgia, it's about like the life that we longed for in 2020, and like everybody was like, oh, 2020 is gonna be our year. Yeah, and then the world collapsed. And so it's kind of about what was the before, the during, and the after in like all of these nostalgic directions, if you will. So it's also a very kind of rough and raw sounding album. It's not nothing's like auto-tuned, nothing's super crisp and clean. It's supposed to be really raw. And so I think like that track specifically is one of those where we didn't mic it perfectly because we didn't want to. We wanted it to sound like it was in another room and you were listening to your cousin play piano.

SPEAKER_02 10:48

But how do you come up with the the notes and like do you dream it? Do you hear it? Do you feel it? Do you taste it? Like I there's some people that like have multi-sensory creativity.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

Yeah, synesthesia. Yeah. Well, this, yeah, I usually hear it first. So like I I heard that melody, the uh the main piano melody, and I I started there. And then I like was tinkering around the piano, and I was like, okay, let's just keep following this. Um, usually in artistic practice, I like to follow until I can't anymore. You know, like writing just like if you're writing a script, like until I run out of ideas, and then I'll go back and edit out the things that aren't good and rewrite it. But I like to follow, you know, follow the rabbit as far as I can. So there's plenty of that piece that you know kind of got chopped or changed, but that little melody, like it hooked me so much. And so then it actually comes back. The last track of the entire album is that piece again, um, with a whole bunch of other instruments, because that final track is called Together Again. And it was the whole idea of hope that hey, we're gonna, we're gonna share a beer again one day. Yeah, and so I recorded all these instrumentalists separately at their houses, and then I had to mix it all together. Um but it was like the piano that started is the piano that closes it.

SPEAKER_02 12:15

Oh my gosh, that's beautiful. How do you know if if it's good? How do you how do you find that? Because for me, like I when I'm writing something and it's deeply personal, even if it's not about me, I know I'm like, oh, this feels great. Like this is flowing, therefore I know that this is good. I might go back and edit a little bit, but this is solid and I can feel it in my body. I can kind of I can even get like tingles all over my body. Do you have something like that?

SPEAKER_00 12:42

I think it's if it if you're feeling it. Also, like it's art. So if you're not feeling anything, then it's not working, right? Like it's like a joke that the audience is missing. Like, so I think with that album with Alphabet, which has waves, waves is super trancey.

SPEAKER_03 12:57

Yeah, I love it.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Super repetitive on purpose, it's highly mathematical and actually pretty complicated to play. Really? Each each measure is repeated a certain number of times, and then the next one is plus one, and the next one is plus one. So eventually you're you're having to remember this, and you're at okay, I'm at 17 repeats, and then the next one 18, and then it goes down from there. So it's like this kind of mathematical note. Oh, but because of that, you, the listener, can never catch on unless you're counting. But because of its trancy feel, you kind of get lost. And I liked that feeling because I was like, oh, this is this is so wavy, it's so kind of, you know, when you look at the ocean and the waves, they're like coming in at different rates. And so I think that feeling, it was very evocative. I was like, oh yeah, this feels right. And then, of course, like you're saying, there's the editing, there's the mixing, there's the stuff that has to happen. Um, but yeah, if I'm not really feeling anything, then then it's not there yet.

SPEAKER_02 13:53

And how did you find your love of music, or has it always been there? Have you always been like tapping? Have you always like little Tim?

unknown 14:02

Timmy.

SPEAKER_00 14:03

Yeah, like my mom says that Timmy, little Timmy, uh, little Timothy. Um, my mom said that I would pull like pans, pots and pans out of the kitchen and I would actually hit them.

SPEAKER_03 14:13

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

I was playing drums as a little little kid. Um, but I've always loved music. My dad plays guitar.

SPEAKER_03 14:19

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:20

And so like he introduced me to Motown and the Beatles at an early age, so I was always listening to that stuff, which is so great. And like Motown is the greatest of pop music, so you're getting like all of this amazing information uh that like turns into you know all the different tastes. I have a brother who's eight years older than me who's very into grunge, and so you know, while I'm listening to Motown, then I'm also listening to Nirvana and the Smashing Pumpkins, and so then I my mom um got me into band in high school, right? So she's like, you should you know play an instrument, or I guess it was junior high. Um, and then I was hooked from there, and I was a total band nerd. I was uh skipping class in high school to hang out in the band room. I yeah, I would get in trouble a lot for that type of stuff. I'd like stay and fix the instruments because I'm a drummer, so I would like tune all of the marching drums and stuff like that. Like I just loved being around for fun.

SPEAKER_02 15:16

You're like, you know what? I'm gonna stick it to my math teacher and I'm gonna go tune drums instead.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

I literally would get in trouble because I wouldn't be showing the class. Yeah, very true.

SPEAKER_02 15:29

Oh, that's funny. Um, I have a recurring nightmare where um in like I'm getting a degree of some sorts, like maybe a master's, and then they tell me that I never passed like middle school math. So I have to go back to middle school. There's a comedy right there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:49

There's a there's a movie right there.

SPEAKER_02 15:52

Um, I also like if I could get out of class, I would go to the library because I'm like, that's the most rebel thing I can do. Go to the library and read books.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Um, so we were very cool back then.

SPEAKER_00 16:04

Uh I mean it's so funny though, talking about like you know, getting in trouble for something that's like such a passion, as opposed to kind of lighting the flame in us and being like, no, no, no, do that more.

SPEAKER_02 16:15

Yeah.

unknown 16:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:16

I'm sure we had those teachers who did encourage us, but yeah, I think that's why I really loved going to a conservatory because it didn't feel like school. Like, yeah, you have to take your basics. Um, but for the most part, it's just like really honing in and crafting what you already love. So it doesn't it didn't feel like um going to school, which you know, maybe I should have gotten a few more basics in there. Maybe a business. You're totally right. Oh my god, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:43

Honestly. That is yeah, that's a big problem with conservatory.

unknown 16:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:47

But to your point of no, no uh whatever they're called, like those first classes you take in college. I remember talking to friends at like U of I, and they're like, Oh, I don't have any music classes until next year. I'm like, what the hell are you doing? Like, what are you paying for?

SPEAKER_02 17:01

Like, I'm I'm in, well, we had to do shows uh at the you know, and rehearse for like six weeks. So I was in class from like 9 a.m. to nine p.m. every day.

SPEAKER_03 17:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:12

Um, so I was like, wait, you get to have a life? Oh my gosh. Like at five? What?

SPEAKER_00 17:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:18

Yeah. It was no, that was not the case. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

Um also where we went to school, the uh cafeteria closed and there was no evening cafeteria. And so like I didn't eat dinner all the time. Like at university center, there was no cafeteria that was open.

SPEAKER_02 17:35

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

So you know, it's like no dinner.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

Yeah, or you like you would get like a salad from the salad bar and just take it for for dinner or try and I got a lot of naked juices from there. You know.

SPEAKER_00 17:48

Yeah. But the cafeteria closed at like 7 p.m. And I was like, well, okay, I guess we're not eating.

SPEAKER_02 18:04

Um, speaking of eating, we're gonna do some hot cakes. Uh you don't eat them. You it's more like a hot cake, but it's 60 seconds on the clock. Are you ready?

SPEAKER_00 18:14

Let's do it.

SPEAKER_02 18:16

You're Beagle or Bacelli? Who's harder to please?

SPEAKER_00 18:20

Beagle.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

Worst note you've ever gotten from a conductor.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

Ooh. I could do this better than you.

SPEAKER_02 18:26

Best venue to perform in. Go.

SPEAKER_00 18:29

Um auditorium theater.

SPEAKER_02 18:32

One word to describe your inbox as an executive director of three organizations.

SPEAKER_00 18:37

Too many unread emails. That's that's not one word.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

Fastest you've ever finished a full orchestration, no sleep included.

SPEAKER_00 18:46

Eight hours?

SPEAKER_02 18:47

Out of all the people you work with, who's the best hang? I know.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

Uh who's the best hang? Um, I'm gonna say Ed Harrison.

SPEAKER_02 18:58

When arch organization task that you'd happily never do again.

SPEAKER_00 19:02

Fundraising.

SPEAKER_02 19:04

Best restaurant in Chicago.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

Flo and Santos.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

If your life was a song, what would it be?

SPEAKER_00 19:13

Um perfect by the smashing bump given.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

Best paranormal creature.

SPEAKER_00 19:20

Aliens.

SPEAKER_01 19:22

Amazing. Thank you so much for finding manifest.

SPEAKER_02 19:26

Manifest aliens. Um, what was the best restaurant? I've never heard of this.

SPEAKER_00 19:32

Flow and Santos is tavern style pizza down at like 13th in Wabash.

SPEAKER_02 19:39

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

Southloop, yeah. Um it's um Polish and like pizza. So it's a it's a fun mix.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

Amazing. When I first got to Chicago, I thought it was Wabash. And I was made fun of every day until I was like, it's Wabash, it's Wabash, it's Wabash. It is a a crazy like way of saying that word, though, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 20:05

You need a real Midwest accent to Wabash.

SPEAKER_02 20:08

Yeah, you need to hit it with the nasal nasality for sure.

SPEAKER_00 20:12

Yes, we do. Yes, we do.

SPEAKER_02 20:16

Um, yeah, that was that was pretty good. That was pretty fast too. Okay. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

What's your record for number of questions that you get in? Um, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 20:26

I usually just do about 10, but sometimes it'll I'll I'll have to cut it down to four or five, depending on yeah, on like if if people like freeze. But I think there's a flow. There's already a flow with you. It might be the musicality for you.

SPEAKER_00 20:42

It's the coffee. It's the coffee.

SPEAKER_02 20:44

It's a coffee, yeah. That too. Um the best hang.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

That was a hard question, though.

unknown 20:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

Like who am I gonna offend here? I said Ed Harrison, he's a he's a percussionist, and I've written many pieces for him, including the concerto that the CSO played. Um, but he's so New Jersey. He's so new New Jersey. He's not pretentious at all, and he's like really he's like light beard, dude. Like he's just good hang. He's just a good hang.

SPEAKER_02 21:12

I love that. Um, well, you're a good hang. And I know that the the way that we met, and correct me if I'm wrong, it's we've met like over a few like Chicago film events. I think SIF, the Chicago International Film Festival, was probably one of them. And then the Midwest. And something about you, like I always seem to gravitate. I think it's I think it's Roosevelt. Now that I'm like, ah yes.

SPEAKER_03 21:36

Oh, it's the hair.

SPEAKER_02 21:37

It's the hair, yeah. I I just I'm like, ooh, a few inches um above above the crowd. I wonder what that is.

SPEAKER_00 21:44

Yeah, he's like uh uh Jimmy Neutron over here.

SPEAKER_02 21:49

No, no, it fits. Uh but like sincerely, like you, you are a good hang. Um and I think you just bring that like Chill the the chill vibe, but also you're like very artistic as well. But like you you don't you don't always have to like talk about work, which I think sometimes at festivals you kind of get caught on like, oh what am I pitching? What am I what are you doing? What am I doing? Am I doing enough? And you know, you kind of get stuck in that conversation and you're like, please help.

SPEAKER_00 22:21

That's very kind of you to say. Uh yeah. Well like what is life for? We gotta talk about more than just work, right?

SPEAKER_02 22:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:29

Yeah. You know, I could totally agree.

SPEAKER_02 22:31

And speaking of, um, though we gotta talk about other things than work. Let's circle back to this alien and or manifesting. Sure. Do you believe in anything? Manifesting aliens. Yeah, yeah. Manifesting aliens. Uh, do you believe in anything? Uh are you woo-woo? Are you Googling anything that is paranormal or paranormal adjacent?

SPEAKER_00 22:53

Um I mean the world's weird. The world is weird. It's just weird. I mean, gravity is weird. Like there's all sorts of shit that's just weird. How is gravity weird? I mean, the fact that we don't float away is just like that just exists and that's normal. It's just normal, an okay thing. I mean, there's just so much that, like, sure, we understand, and I put that in air quotes, but um, so I you know, manifesting, I want people that gravity was gravity, I mean, I think it's strange.

unknown 23:26

P.

SPEAKER_00 23:27

Holmes is like a whole joke about the fact that the universe is expanding, and that's just normal.

SPEAKER_01 23:32

That doesn't seem very normal. Yeah, I've seen this this comedy. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

I mean, I completely agree. So uh I can't explain anything. And also, like there are weapons made of sound, and that's a real thing. Because like molecules around us can move, because that's physics, that's sound. So who am I to say that like the way we interact with the universe isn't also like within your head and manifesting for things? Because I I know people who have like really lived that and have really seen things come to pass for them. So, like, who am I to say that the world doesn't work? Um, like people who and it's it's almost like goal setting, right? Like, they're so driven towards you know one thing and then they keep working at it or like keep uh manifesting every morning, you know, their vision board and things like that. And they it comes to pass and like they see it in like a year or something like that. So I can't, I don't have like scientific proof, but anecdotal evidence that's like, well, I I can't say you didn't do it because you got where you wanted to go.

SPEAKER_02 24:41

Do you have a vision board? Do you what's the wackiest thing?

SPEAKER_00 24:44

I used to I'm pretty I'm pretty big on goals. I do write like short-term, mid-term, and long-term goals. And I think that's because I'm a bit scatter brained and I need a direction. Otherwise, I'll do too many different jobs.

SPEAKER_02 24:58

Like you have a lot of jobs. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

I'm uh I s I said this to somebody the other day. I'm a recovering generalist. I'm trying to focus more.

SPEAKER_02 25:07

On what?

SPEAKER_00 25:08

So maybe I need a better vision board. I'll just like you know, stop saying yes to everything, right?

SPEAKER_02 25:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

Say no to more things, give somebody else an opportunity.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

When when somebody approaches me for something, pass it to somebody else.

SPEAKER_02 25:20

So, what is what do you want to focus on? What is like your goal right now?

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:25

Because you do a lot.

SPEAKER_00 25:26

Yeah, and I serve on a couple boards, but it's kind of being selfish right now. It's like focus on whatever I'm working on. So whether that's like the music that I'm working on. I was building a studio for a while, um, as opposed to like fundraising for other organizations, I'm fundraising for my own projects, marketing my own projects. So it's a little bit um inward currently, as opposed to taking on projects for other people.

SPEAKER_02 25:51

Yeah. So do you want, do you is there a difference for you for like composing something for an orchestra versus like a film?

SPEAKER_00 25:59

Um, not necessarily well, I guess sometimes. Like uh the it's much more collaborative on a film, right? So like we're writing the music to your story. So the you know, what I think it should be might not be correct because it's within the director's head. And hopefully the director is good at articulating that. That's always the issue.

SPEAKER_02 26:22

So uh wanted to chat real quick about place of rest. Speaking of uh short-term, long-term goals.

SPEAKER_00 26:31

Um, so Place of Rest is an album that I have that's coming out in August, and I wrote it for people to fall asleep to. Um, I had this idea from people that I know that are like, oh, I was listening to Waves and it helped me fall asleep. And I was thinking about like, you know, writing something specifically for that. And to your question of what am I Googling right now, it's all been about sleep. And how do we sleep? Which is very there's all sorts of woo-woo weird things, and there's all sorts of normal scientific things.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

Can you can you elaborate on this?

SPEAKER_00 27:00

Like, there's this um there's uh I guess belief that uh a certain pitch, certain tone, 432 hertz, is like the optimal sound for falling asleep.

SPEAKER_02 27:13

That's amazing. Could I can I make a suggestion?

SPEAKER_00 27:17

Please.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

As a listener, would love a 12-hour version. So that so because because the album will stop, right? Yes, and then you'll wake up. But if you have just like, but most of the time, if because I I listen to brown noise, deep brown noise every night. Yeah, um, and if it stops, I wake up. So maybe I don't know. I'm as a listener would love a 12-hour version that does not end so that I can continue.

SPEAKER_00 27:50

So you sleep for 12 hours.

SPEAKER_02 27:55

I have in yes. Nice. Uh my nice good on you. Usually I need about nine hours to function properly. Um yeah. Six is it, I'm white knuckling it throughout the entire day.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

I am such a bad sleeper, and honestly, I'm going to be trying this. I actually, in the mixed process, I've been trying this on myself. Um because I am such a light sleeper that I wake up too easily.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

Um, yeah, I'll send you the the deep deep brown uh sound for 12 hours. It's a good idea. Yeah. I will get like millions and millions of of uh listens because like my current like deep brown noise has about 22 million listens on Spotify. Wow. I know it's very popular because you listen to it every night.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

That's true, that's true, yeah. So maybe I should do like different ones, you know, because then it can like you could assort you know a place of rest with another album, and then they're all kind of like lulling you to sleep.

SPEAKER_02 28:59

I'm so sorry, Gary. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

No, but hey, this is this is focusing right on like a specific thing. This is good. I'm really curious because I've I've done ambient music, which we were talking about with like Alphabet and uh MMXX, and um, it's fun to play in this sandbox. Um, and I'm really curious what people think about it because it's it's new, it's totally new to me, but obviously, like yourself, you've you've been listening to this music for a long time.

SPEAKER_02 29:29

Yeah, and it might be a sandbox, but then that makes you the sand man. Boom!

SPEAKER_00 29:35

Deep, very deep. Manifest aliens.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

And with that, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. You were a great guest.

SPEAKER_00 29:46

Thanks so much for having me. It was a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_02 29:55

Manifesting aliens for life. Uh thank you, Tim Corpus, for being on the podcast. Uh, he was such an exquisite guest. Um, so so fun, and a lot of overlap that um I had no idea about. And it man, that resume. Can I just say that is that is an excellent resume. Anywho, please follow Tim at Tim Corpus on Instagram. Place of Rest comes out uh the first week of August. Um, I hope he does the 12-hour version. Um really excited for that. And yeah, if you enjoyed this, please like, subscribe, do all the good things, and um have a great sleep. Sleep over nine hours. Okay, try it. I I kid you not, it's gonna change your life. Okay, uh, ciao, bye. Ilse Will Say is an Intrepid entertainment podcast produced and edited by Jacob Cagle, music by Eric Facus, and photography by Joel Masonet, and I am your host, Ilse Sacharia Rivera. The views and opinions expressed on Ilse Will Say are entirely those of the host and guests, and do not reflect the views of any employers, sponsors, or innocent bystanders. This podcast is for entertainment purposes only. Nothing said here should be taken as professional advice, expert opinion, legal guidance, or a reason to DMSU conspiracy theories. We're here for the laps, y'all. Carry on. Chicago's best kept secret? It's not Deep Dish. It's Joelle, MySonette Photography. He's legitimately the best, and it's about time everybody knew. Actors, execs, LinkedIn Lurkers, book at mysanethography.com and thank me later.