SPEAKER_01 0:00

Um, so how old are you now? Thirty-four?

SPEAKER_00 0:02

Thirty-four, yeah. How did you know that? How did you know?

SPEAKER_01 0:06

Uh I remember the conversations we had at Cannes.

SPEAKER_00 0:08

Damn. Crazy, yeah. Fair play. Yeah, it was uh it was on Tuesday. Uh Tuesday just gone, but I went out. I'm gonna be honest with you, I went out last night and I am feeling rotten right now. Like uh, yeah, we um we did karaoke. My voice is fully uh you know, a bit.

SPEAKER_01 0:30

You sound you sound like yeah, you definitely sound like a baritone. Like you are like very low.

SPEAKER_00 0:35

Yeah, yeah. My voice is normally deep, but uh after the session last night, like uh it's not good.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

I met this guy at Lepertine Majestic at Cannes, so you know this is gonna be good. Welcome back to Ilte Will Say, the place where you come for good conversation and accidentally leave thinking about AI and institutional power. Sorry. Welcome to my brain. I'm Ilse, your host, the girl who left Cannes with a stack of business cards and no organizational systems. I'm sweating, uh and it's okay. Today's guest made the unhinged ambitious thing work. He's a writer, director, producer, and recovering educator from Nottingham, England. His debut film is a dystopian sci-fi thriller that is genuinely about something like AI and justice and what we do to young people we've already decided to throw away. It came out last year. Vision Films picked it up. Bella Ramsey is in it as the disembodied AI voice, which is frankly perfect casting. He did not wait for permission, he did not wait for a bigger budget, he just made it. I find that annoying and inspiring in equal measure, and I cannot wait to talk to him. Please welcome Darius Chilita.

SPEAKER_00 1:57

Yes, that was a great introduction. Uh very cool. Um yeah, I'm Darius Chilito here. Thanks for having me on.

SPEAKER_01 2:05

I know. I'm like shh chilito, chilito. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

Yeah, don't worry. It's it's it's everyone gets it wrong. Everyone spells it wrong as well.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

So there is a lot of uh L's and a couple T's.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

Yeah, dyslexic people are losing their minds looking at my name.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

So uh, real quick, can you give us like a little um quick of how you like got into the business and what you're currently doing and where you're going. You don't have to do where you're going.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

Sure, yeah. That's it. Yeah, so um yeah, I've been a filmmaker for for as long as I can remember, really. Like, I I started making films when I was a teenager, and uh about nine years ago I was able to be freelance filmmaker full time. I got fired from my job as a chef, and then I just committed to being a freelancer, and it just had to work out, and it it is so far it's been okay. And I run a I've got my own production company based in Nottingham, which is called Foil River Films, and yeah, like you say, the correction unit is our first feature, but we've done a load of short films uh that have been funded by like the BFI here, and um they're all on the festival circuit as well. And yeah, we've met in Cannes because we were trying to both like get out there and like get our faces out and meet new people. But you were you were my favorite person I met from Cannes 100%.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

Oh y'all were my favorite, you and Georgie, your your like partner. It was it was so fun. Um, real quick, you got fired for being a chef, like from being a chef. What kind of food were you cooking?

SPEAKER_00 3:48

Yeah, no, it was uh it was uh yeah. I mean, I should yeah, I wish I wish the story was more interesting, but basically what it was, uh I was it was a pizza, it's a place called Pizza Express, which you don't have in the US, I don't think.

SPEAKER_01 4:05

No, we don't.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

So it's uh it's famous in the UK because Prince Andrew uh used it as an alibi to sort of avoid going to jail, right? It was like it's that's why it's famous. Uh like you said, like he couldn't have been at this like weird sex place because he was at Pizza Express, so like that was it. Um but uh that's nothing to do with me getting it.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

It's like yeah, Derry and I were hanging out all night.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

No, no, I'm very listening, I'm I'm Irish, so any monarchy stuff is bad news. Um, but the the reason they got fired is I was handing out I was handing out discounts to like my family, to friends. I was I was like getting people to come in, I was getting my friends to come in. Yeah, honestly. And someone uh I'd get anyone that looks like me to come in and they pretend to be my brother. I do have a lot of brothers and sisters, so I just hand out discounts to like friends who vaguely looked like me.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

And they were like, sorry, um, for some reason this business is failing and we're selling a lot.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

Yeah, yeah, they caught on, they caught on and fired me, but it was the best thing that ever happened, really, because I worked there for seven years and uh Oh wow, yeah, and I had to because it was just the only way of making an income.

SPEAKER_01 5:32

But uh Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:34

But getting fired was great. I got a month's full pay as I did the paperwork, and then after that I just committed to being a filmmaker and got got lucky. Well, we just persisted and now it's it's all good.

SPEAKER_01 5:48

I think that sometimes like we don't want to take that scary next step, and whatever you believe in, God, the universe, is just like sorry, it's time. And it kind of sucks in the moment, but then in in hindsight, you're like, Oh, okay, yeah, I understand. I understand why that needed to happen for me to actually do what I love. Absolutely. Sometimes, like, you just can get stuck in a terrible job for years, yeah, and then that's it, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:20

Yep, and uh, you know, look like some you know, my parents had that difficulty. Uh, you know, all of our grandparents or you know, they kind of had to do the job they were given, but now we can actually take a bit more risks and figure it out. And uh me and my partner have decided we're just gonna just have it, just fucking have it and see what happens. Can I swear?

SPEAKER_01 6:43

Actually, I did just say fucking oh yeah, please swear as much as you. I very early I was like, there's no way we're not gonna swear in this podcast. It's so good. Yeah, good. Um what have you found? Like, what what was that thing when you took that scary step and said, you know what, I'm not gonna have a job, like a day job on the side, I'm gonna make this my career. What did you learn, or what was that uh a big aha moment that like helped you to kind of realize that goal or that dream?

SPEAKER_00 7:18

Yeah, I think I realized like I was just Māori. Uh Mādi means like angry, I suppose. It's like a it's a very not anymore phrase. Marty is.

SPEAKER_01 7:26

Oh, you guys have the best slang. Americans just don't know how to do it. We're so boring.

SPEAKER_00 7:33

You got some good ones. Particularly in Chicago. I mean, I've been watching the bear. There's loads of stuff in the bear where it's like uh that's that sounds kind of cool. I can't think of anything off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

I will because it's not as cool, because it's not as cool as England's lane. Well like Nottingham, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:52

Yeah, I mean, yeah, so I was I was Mahdi. I was I was a bit frustrated, and um it was out that was literally down to the job, and I think uh as soon as I left that job, then I felt less frustrated and yeah, had more joy, I suppose. So that's why it just had to be done. Um it is stressful being a freelancer though, it's really stressful. I should probably explain like why my voice sounds like this as well. So I'm sorry for the listeners. I've been singing karaoke all night and drinking tequila.

SPEAKER_01 8:28

As you should, and I just gotta tell you, like, as a person as your own manager, making yourself come to a podcast in this state, I mean, that just shows how hardworking and how good of a guy you are. I would have been like, I am so sorry. This is my birthday and I must I must be in bed.

SPEAKER_00 8:49

No, it's good. It's a it's a nice book. You know, if it was like uh if I had to be professional, then it'd be a different thing. If I had to be too professional, do you know what I mean? Here I could just chat with you, yeah, you're funny, and um yeah, but I'm feeling a little bit better now because it's you know it's it's half five in the evening in the UK, and so uh I've had some time to recover.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

I appreciate it, I really do. So, what what inspired you to sort of go to Cannes? Yeah, so I've been there a few times.

SPEAKER_00 9:21

I've been there twice now.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

What inspired you and like what how does it compare to other festivals, in your opinion?

SPEAKER_00 9:28

Yeah, cool. So I'm I'm I'm sort of warming into festivals. I'm trying to figure them out myself. And in the UK we have a lot of festivals, and none of them are really like uh very like they don't have a market at these festivals in the UK. Our film, the correction unit, is on was on sale at Cannes. So it was in the market. Vision Films had a an apartment which they were selling the film from, and hopefully, I'm gonna get a report from them at the end of the month. Hopefully, we made some international sales. So I wanted to be there to basically show them that I'm you know available if and then if they need to me to speak to anyone or sort of remind them that they need to get a shift on and you know get the film sold. Uh and then also to meet people like yourself and to meet loads of other filmmakers who are getting things made or or are looking for collaboration. I was on the I don't know if you know this, I was on the producer's network. Uh so uh a little context for people.

SPEAKER_01 10:40

Um he uh Derry would say the producer's network. Um he would just slip it into conversation every five to ten minutes.

SPEAKER_00 10:51

Yeah, yeah, so basically the producer's network, you get like you you apply for it and you have to have a film released theatrically, and then um they pick. Yeah, so they select 370 filmmakers from around the world that apply, and uh so it is good because you get to meet people who are producing stuff in like the Philippines and New Zealand or wherever around the world, and they're all getting films in the cinemas. So amazing, and that that was great. So uh it got me a lot more access this year than it did the last year, uh the last time I went. I've been twice, and uh this second time was much better. Um in comp compared compared to other festivals, I haven't been to any of the festivals in the US yet. I haven't been to Toronto either, and I'm thinking about going to Toronto in September this year, but I don't know for sure yet, but I'm I'm trying to figure that out. And uh hopefully you're going, right? That's what you said.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

Yeah, hopefully, yeah. So and I'm I'm trying to get uh a few other folks that I met at Cannes to come, so it'll be like a nice little reunion.

SPEAKER_00 12:06

Nice, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, I think that's that's the great thing about these festivals is that you can make friends that we you know we we're friends now, and I I could see you in Toronto or in I don't know, AFM or wherever the you know the the festival crew.

SPEAKER_01 12:23

Yeah. And I gotta say, my my partner's a little upset at you because you got me to watch soccer. Because I was like, oh my god. Because you were like, Are you watching FIFA? And I was like, I'm not, I probably should. And he's like, hey, whatever gets you to watch games with me is alright. But I was just like, oh yeah, I guess I have to watch a few games.

SPEAKER_00 12:48

You got to particularly, you know, Mexico, I think, uh could do well. And um I mean I I'm I'm gutted because Ireland didn't make it. Uh so I'm supporting Scotland.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

So who are you rooting for?

SPEAKER_00 13:03

Well, Scotland and then England after.

SPEAKER_01 13:06

I mean you know if you have to. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:10

Yeah. Yeah. I live here, so I need to and you know, people go nuts for that's so funny, because I'm the same way.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

I'm like rooting for Mexico, but if but but if not, then I'll root for the US. The the game was pretty good uh the other day, um yesterday. Yeah. Um yeah, so um either either could have a shot. I guess I could also root for Canada. So I I've got I've got a few. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. I've got a few that I could root for.

SPEAKER_00 13:40

Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

Um will you be going back to Cannes or like is there something that you wish people knew about Cannes?

SPEAKER_00 13:52

Yeah, Cannes it feels like the sort of the place to be for film. And I think uh because people come from all around the world to go there, and I don't think that's the same with something like the American film market because you know, some territories aren't as uh eager to travel out to LA. A lot of the American companies will be there, but in it can you can meet so many people who are actually getting stuff done because it has a market as well as the festival that's quite unique as well because you know, Venice is just a festival, and uh like there's loads of other festivals that just screen films and they're good for networking, but you there's a limit on what you can do, and with the Marshall film that can there's so much happening. And I will go, I'll try to go every year because I think you can meet so many people that are actually getting stuff done. You have an opportunity to try and get things funded. Like a few people spoke to me about funding my next film, and uh, you know, they're awesome. It is, and they're waiting for pictures, which I haven't you know, it's taken me a long time to get them, but they need to be nice, they need to be good. So I'm gonna send you a little bit more.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

I know I'm in a similar boat where I'm like, uh, I gotta do one more rewrite, and then I have to like get the the reel or the the sizzle reel or the whatever teaser, and yeah, it's just like you go there and you're so amped up and you're like, I met all these people, and then people forget there's like so much work between that contact and actually making like closing the deal.

SPEAKER_00 15:42

Yeah, absolutely. I think uh yeah, it's a bit stressful. It can be a bit stressful because you're like, oh man, you know, it's been three weeks since Cannes. I haven't sent a follow-up email. But actually, you know, yeah, but they don't care. They're gonna be cracking on with their stuff. Like, I don't think they care, do you know what I mean? If it comes in, it comes in, and if it's good, it's good. Um yeah. But I think the best thing about Cannes is that you literally can just speak to anyone with a lanyard on, and then you have a great chat. Uh at Le Petit Majestic, obviously we met there, and there's you know, hundreds of people coming in and out of that bar all night long. What what I was really happy with this year is I was able to avoid the charlatans because there are many.

SPEAKER_01 16:38

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SPEAKER_00 17:16

Yes, I'm ready. Let's have it.

SPEAKER_01 17:19

Best Nottingham slang. Go.

SPEAKER_00 17:21

Uh um, your tabs are laughing.

SPEAKER_01 17:26

Tea or coffee onset?

SPEAKER_00 17:28

Coffee, but I can't drink it anymore. But it has to be coffee.

SPEAKER_01 17:33

Actors who've never been in trouble, can you trust them?

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Oh yeah. No. I think an actor needs to let loose and they need to get in touch with their dangerous state.

SPEAKER_01 17:43

What's something you learned from teaching that made you a better director?

SPEAKER_00 17:48

Um, kids that do media age 16, 50% of them are idiots, and you have to sort of you have to sort of really be patient with them.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

Best pub in Nottingham.

SPEAKER_00 18:02

Oh shit. Um the old trip to Jerusalem, which is underneath Nottingham Castle.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

Is film school worth it or is it a scam?

SPEAKER_00 18:12

I didn't go to film school. Some of my mates did. Geordie, my partner, did do a diploma there. I think there's a lot of use in it, but I don't think it's fundamental.

SPEAKER_01 18:22

Uh best sci-fi film ever made.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

Uh Blade Runner. No, Alien, the first alien.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

The Nottingham Caves. It's something living down there.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

Yes. There's a thing called uh a Gringold Ward, and it lives in the caves. You have to you have to go see it.

SPEAKER_01 18:39

Thank you so much for playing. Thank you so much for playing. Uh what do you wait, what? Let's go back. What? What is it called?

SPEAKER_00 18:49

The Gringle Ward. Uh it's this a it's this a mythic creature that lives in the caves. So the k the caves used to be used for um like in Robin Hood times. They used to be used to basically hide goods, like hide jewelry, money, and transport like stuff underground without anyone knowing. So it's like a whole network of caves that you can go from one side to the other.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

It looks really cool. Like I I googled it for for this, um, and it it it's wild, but there is actually like a story behind that. I don't know. I I didn't actually know if there was something.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

Yeah, it's a it's a network. It was it was designed to basically uh transport goods and hide things from uh the authorities. So it's like like Nottingham, yeah. So Nottingham is like a very it's called the rebel city, like the rebel city because Robin Hood's from here, D. H. Lawrence is from here, and Lord Byron is from here as well. And uh yeah, so the they've they've all been rebellious like writers or activists. The Luddites, you know, you know when you call someone a Luddite? Have you heard about this? When No. So when someone doesn't know technology, you call them a Luddite. It's like a it might not be an American saying, but but in the UK it is, and and basically it was a movement that was started by a guy called Ned Ludd in Nottingham, uh, which they refused in the workplace. So they'd say like like this conversation about AI now replacing jobs, that's been a conversation with machinery that's happened like centuries ago in in Nottingham. So there's a whole like rebel culture, and uh that's what a caves are built for. Yeah. I made it up, I made up it is cool. I made up the thing about an an animal living there, and I just brought that like and that's just a made-up story. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 20:52

So it's uh I I would have I would have been like, yeah, I'm I'm into it. Uh tell me more. Yeah, no, there I I don't get your sarcasm just yet, and I will. I I've caught you a few times. Your voice changes a little bit, but I think the deep voice is throwing me off.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

No, yeah. I think also I'm I'm very I'm very uh I haven't got much cadence in my voice.

SPEAKER_01 21:16

My voice is quite uh you're so good at deadpan. Yeah, so I'm so freaking upset at you.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

I can't act.

SPEAKER_01 21:27

I'm so gullible too.

SPEAKER_00 21:29

Yeah, yeah. You should come to Nottingham, come see the caves.

SPEAKER_01 21:33

I I will, but I was like, oh, I need to go see the mythical creature down there, but now that you're saying you made it up, I'm like, well, I guess it's not as fun. Uh but what is, since you broke my heart with that mythical creature, what is something that like you actually believe in or Googling um anything weird or bizarre? Do you have a ghost story, an ancient story?

SPEAKER_00 21:58

No, no, no, wait a minute, wait a minute. Yeah, this is this is all true. I've I've started I've started going down I'm very aware of like conspiracy theories. I don't I try to like ignore them. There's some that are quite interesting though, and um I've started to go down this whole rabbit hole of like this this sort of the world might be some sort of simulation and um it feels like it feels like so much random strange shite is happening that it feels like it could also be choreographed. I'm starting to think that maybe maybe there is some sort of like choreographed design that we're all a part of. Um but when I say it out loud I kind of think oh you're an idiot, stop saying stupid things.

SPEAKER_01 22:56

No, I love it.

SPEAKER_00 22:57

What what did you read or did you watch that you're like I think just everything everything on the news and everything that's like popping up and this the way things are sort of like the momentum behind the world just going towards like just bad things, right? Um if you're like yeah, it can't be real, it just feels like so choreographed, or just like the the powers that be uh which aren't like they're not just the presidents or the prime ministers. I feel like there might be uh a power above government that's kind of yeah, because yeah, so I'm I'm kind of into the I suppose people would call it the Illuminati, but I don't call it that. I just think there's some sort of there's some sort of group of people. I think it's like you know, like the episode of The Simpsons, um, where Homer Yeah, so Homer joins like the stone cutters. Like there's a like a group of people that yeah, so that's what I think it is. It's just a group of men, probably, who are just manipulating things on a grand scale. I realize how stupid this sounds like.

SPEAKER_01 24:16

No, no, no. Now I just picture Homer Simpson running our running our world. If you want a little flavor of my weird um within this vein, uh have you ever listened to the telepathy tapes?

SPEAKER_00 24:32

No.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

It's a podcast, and the film is coming out this fall. Highly recommend, and you will feel um a little better about all you all your theories.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

Okay, cool. Yeah, check out. That sounds great.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

Yeah, but that's one where I'm like, oh man, when I start talking about the telepathy tapes, that's where I'm like, I sound like a total freak. I am like, I am so sorry to whomever I am with because I am going down this rabbit hole.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

Um It's interesting, it's interesting though, isn't it? Yeah, it really is. Like, there's there's nothing wrong with exploring things. I think um even if they are weird or feel like a bit far-fetched or whatever, you might as well explore it because you never know. And something interesting could come out of it.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

Well, and I feel like your film, Correction Unit, is one of those where you just keep imagining what could be, right? Um, for folks, uh, can we talk a little bit more about that and uh let folks know where they can watch it?

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so the correction unit is a sci-fi thriller, and it's about a group of young offenders in the UK that get put into a prison which is run by an AI, and Bella Ramsey plays the AI, and they you the AI uses virtual reality to like alter their criminal behaviors. But it's a it's a just a tense 90-minute thriller, and I think um I'm very intrigued by what happens to the most vulnerable people in our society when like most powerful people just embrace AI and just keep like chasing like progress in quotation marks, um, and just fun like funding AI for whatever reason. And it feels like the bottom the bottom of the barrel or the bottom of the cereal box uh is open and people you know it's just emptying itself out while she keeps filling the top of the cereal box. So uh so yeah, I mean I've worked with I work in a I worked in a school which is for uh kids who have been excluded from mainstream schools, and they're for whatever reason behavior, mostly behavior, but it could also be like educational difficulties. And uh and we cast uh the actors through that school as well. And it's just clear that yeah, they're the performances are amazing, like them they're so raw and real and like really funny, but really like shocking, and um, so we're very proud of the film, but um yeah, I'm I'm I was just interested in exploring it because I feel like they're already talking about bringing empathy training into these alternative provision schools, and they use an AI to do this, and I think no huh yeah, how can we use an AI to uh train empathy in a human empathy?

SPEAKER_01 27:29

Yeah, yeah, that's wild. And we can watch it on Amazon Prime in Canada and the US.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Yeah, it's on Amazon Prime, Canada US, it's also on um a few other places as well, uh, which I can't remember off the top of my head. Uh but yeah, yeah, if you if you have Prime, uh you can rent it, you can rent it on any uh platform. Uh you can watch it on Prime for free with a subscription, but it's on Bandango, Rakutan, uh, Apple TV. Um yeah. I I if you if you do watch it, I'd love to hear about like it. You know, let me know what you think and and drop a drop a letterbox review as well, because we need we need those.

SPEAKER_01 28:15

Awesome. Well, I feel like now we have to make a film about like the Illuminati, but we don't call it the Illuminati. Um and it's just like Homer Simpson style, the entire film.

SPEAKER_00 28:27

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I'm trying to do I'm trying to do something because I can get wrapped up in all of this stuff, and I can get quite serious when I'm writing stuff. So I'm trying to I try to make films that have like a social political idea, but they don't get too bogged down in it, and they're still quite fun and exciting.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

Yeah. Well, it's the rebel in you. Yeah, that's why you're you're a nun.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

Awesome. Well, thank you so much for being on the podcast, Derry. This was a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_00 28:54

No, loved it, loved it. And uh, if you ever want me back as well, I have a couple ghost stories as well. Actually, should I tell you one real quick?

SPEAKER_01 29:00

What? Now you yes, please.

SPEAKER_00 29:03

Uh yeah, so I should have mentioned this earlier. So I lived in a house in Radford in Nottingham. And at the time I was working in Pizza Express, like I said. Um and I was I was just chatting to some people at Pizza Express, and they go, Oh, where it where where is the house you moved into? And uh I said it's in it's on Osborne Street, and then they went, Oh wow, that's weird, that's really crazy, because um there was a a murderer that lived on Osborne Street, right? And and so and shut up, Derek. So so the and so this guy I was talking to at work were like, oh yeah, so I saw someone on Osborne Street just got arrested and sentenced to life in prison. I was like, uh, okay. Yeah, so maybe that was their house. And uh so I looked into it and it was it was their house.

SPEAKER_02 29:56

No!

SPEAKER_00 29:57

And they yeah, so they killed like a sad story, but they did actually kill someone. But the maddest coincidence about it is the person they killed was a Pizza Express chef.

SPEAKER_01 30:11

Shut up, and now a Pizza Express chef is living in the house.

SPEAKER_00 30:16

Exactly, yeah. Crazy. So that that freaked me out, but then That is wild. Yeah, and that's one thing, and that's not even the the freakiest thing. So the house is creepy anyway. I was like, maybe it was like one in the morning, uh, I had a couple of drinks, came home, was making some like noodles and whatever, and uh I just went to the back door, so I thought I heard something, and yeah, I didn't know there was nothing going on. And then I was just like in the kitchen with the kettle in front of me, just on the bar, and then you know, like the sound of like a chair scraping across the floor, right? You know, like that's a very like obvious sound, isn't it? Yeah, I heard that in the kitchen, like right behind me, and I looked, I turned around and I was like, what? Like it sounded like a chair move, and that like nothing was there, no one's there, no one lives in the house with me. Um so that freaked me out. So then I did start locking the door when I went up the stairs. But also that the the low, you know, we talked about the caves in Nottingham. So there's a lot of like uh there's no there's a lot of basements, there's a lot of underground things under houses and buildings. So the the how the house had a basement, right? Uh one day I just went down into it because I thought, right, I need to see what's in this basement. And there was like there was a whole like basically there was like four rooms in this basement, loads of stuff, and then there was just like this chain, like this weird chain hanging from a um like the wall. Yeah, I know, and then it freaked me the hell out. So and never went down there well again, but it's just like it looks like you know, like when you'd see in a film someone's like being chained up or something, yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 32:19

It looked like that like the guy who lived there.

SPEAKER_00 32:22

Yeah, yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_01 32:24

That is so creepy in so many ways. I can't. Did you make a film about this already?

SPEAKER_00 32:32

I haven't. I haven't. I I I was thinking like, how would I? I could probably figure out a way. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:40

I think I think you could find a way. I think you can find a way. Um, because this my heart is just kind of coming out of my chest.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Well, there we go. I'm glad I'm glad it works. That that's the only that's the only sort of that's the only creepy thing that that's really happened to me though.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

I think that's the only creepy thing you need to ever happen to you. I think that's enough. I think that's enough for a lifetime, quite frankly.

SPEAKER_00 33:07

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:09

Well, thank you again for coming, and this ghost story was really creepy. So yeah. Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_00 33:17

No, thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01 33:28

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