SPEAKER_00 0:00

This morning, I my girlfriend. So my girlfriend lives in Ohio. Um, we met here in LA, which is where I'm currently here. Here, I'm currently here. Um, and so we were at my place last night, and then this morning we wake up, we hear helicopters at like 6 a.m. And unfortunately in LA, that's just kind of like the city bird, uh like you know, just like LAPD helicopters. And we're like, okay, whatever. She needed to go home and I needed to stay and work remotely because that's what I do over here. Um, and we try to leave, but then all of a sudden there's so many cops in my neighborhood. There's like a SWAT team, there's two helicopters, and then there's like a cop in front of my house. Uh, and I'm just like, excuse me, like, like, what's going on? Um, and turns out there's like a suspect, and there was a murder that happened in my neighborhood. Um, so we're just like, that's so fun. Um, first thing. And then second thing, we were so bummed because we were gonna leave to go get coffee.

SPEAKER_02 0:59

We were like, I'm so bummed. I don't need to have coffee.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

It was like, yeah, a part of my soul died a little bit for not having my coffee. Um, just to just for this makes it. Uh they caught the guy. So, so there's that.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

You know when something just feels right in a scene. Like the timing, the emotion, the little pauses that make it land. That's editing, babe. Welcome back to Ilse Will Say, the place where we talk film, feelings, and the people behind the curtain making everything hit just a little harder. Welcome to my brain. I'm Ilse, your host, your can we try one more for safety girl? And someone who has a deep respect for anyone who has to sort through all of that footage. And today's guest is exactly that person. He's a Bay Area-born, LA-based editor who's worked with Disney Channel, Amazon Prime, Nike, and Masterclass, and is passionate about telling stories that make people feel like they belong. He recently went to Southby, Southwest, as an assistant editor on Sunder, just joined the editors' union and brings this calm, collaborative energy that directors love and actors hope is on their side in the edit. He's got great taste, great instincts, and a quiet superpower when it comes to shaping story. Please welcome Alex Gonzalez.

SPEAKER_00 2:38

I got through all of your footage. That is like the nicest thing anything was ever written about me. Thank you for thank you for adding this the the secret sauce.

SPEAKER_02 2:48

You got it. You got it. Um, you are the secret sauce, though, because we met at South by. Um we did. And uh it was we were in a line, and then like on what, like opening day, uh, we were in a line, we went in, we took pictures at the step and repeat. Yes, and then we just kept hanging out.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

It's like one of those things where you you're at a festival and you kind of just keep bumping into the same people, you know? And it's like I already vibe with this person, so like let's hang out.

SPEAKER_02 3:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

And we s we caught a comedy show as well with Dropout.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

So fun. To the point where like I I utilize the free the the free monthly subscriptions. Oh yeah. And I I I like signed up for it. And I've been watching Dropout, like a lot of dropout, actually.

SPEAKER_02 3:36

So do you think um you're you lean more towards comedy than drama?

SPEAKER_00 3:42

Uh I think so. Um as as an it's funny because like as an editor and assistant editor, I think a lot of my work lately has been with like dramatic or thriller type of work, but I have such a soft spot for comedy in general, um, to the point where I'm I'm a part of a filmmaking program with film independent, and we just it's a whole thing, like it's very reality TV show, how you get paired with like your team over there. Um, but I got attached with a comedy, like a big ensemble comedy, and I'm so excited. Uh, because I've I've dabbled here and there, but like honestly, just like having fun and playing is like so important to me. Um, and I think I chatted with you about this a little bit, like I saw by Soth OS and then our subsequent uh subsequent our follow-up conversations, but like I love improv. Yeah, like I I I do it as just like a means to be silly, not to like perform, you know. Um, but there's a lot of that yes and in life that is so applicable, you know. And I feel like as an editor working on comedy, it's like, yes, this joke landed, but what else could we do? And like, oh, okay, this, and then let's introduce that. So yeah, definitely a big fan of comedy.

SPEAKER_02 4:55

I just picture you editing the improv show as you go, and you're like, and this scene's over. And so you do the walk. That's so funny.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

Yeah, it's it's it's really hard because I started doing it like in 2020, like two or three or so, maybe 21. Um, but that was like my first time ever doing any comedy performing situation. And like, I I think I'm funny adjacent, you know. But going oh I wasn't fishing, but you know, no, I'm kidding. Um more time, actually. Um, but yeah, I I went to that class and I was like, this is so beyond what I expected, because at the time I was working 100% remote at a master class and as an assistant editor, and it was also early days of the pandemic. So like my people skills were so like down the trash can. Yeah. And going to an improv class was like so connecting to like not only people, but also to just like my repressed thoughts deep inside of me, and just like being able to just like let all of that go and like live in gray space. And I'm in no way like an expert at all. Like to me, it's just fun, yeah. You know, so that's why I keep going.

SPEAKER_02 6:14

I feel you after the pandemic, I was like, How do I talk? Like, I I I did not know talk how I you know exactly, and I think you know, going to South by it's it's just a relay of just like oh yeah, continuing to to like be present and try and be a little charismatic and try to make friends the entire time. How do you how did you stay sane? Like it's like I know I needed like eight hours of sleep, I needed a good breakfast.

SPEAKER_00 6:43

Like you know it's funny, like for me, and maybe a lot of my colleagues will plus one this, but I've been very like active when it comes to networking and going on coffee dates and meeting people and going to like networking events and stuff like that, because in this industry you kind of need to keep up with it, you know. And it's honestly a skill that I feel like I've gotten really good at over the past like couple of years now, where I'll just like show up to an event not knowing who's gonna be there, and like I kind of know I'll be okay because I've developed the skills of just like, hi, who are you? Or like, hi, like you know, tell me about yourself. Um, and then the way I think about it too in networking and then especially at South by Southwest, especially at like a big film festival, I come in with a mentality of like, if I think I'm weird and awkward and wanting to talk to someone, the next person is probably feeling the same, you know?

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

So like why don't we just like bridge that gap and just chat? Yeah, you know, so so I I just kind of utilize my powers of networking throughout South by Southwest and just kept going, honestly. And then also I I see it as like an investment as well because it ain't cheap going to South by Southwest. I know it's that yeah, and even with like you know, very generous discounts uh from South by Southwest, it's still pricey with plane tickets, food, lodging, all this stuff. So being able to utilize my time to network with people like made it very worth it, to be honest.

SPEAKER_02 8:18

That's awesome. I think the improv probably plays into it as well. I know when I started doing stand-up, I was I got better at talking to people because I was like, Well, I bombed in front of 75 people yesterday. Like one person not wanting to talk to me is nothing.

SPEAKER_00 8:35

Yeah, it's the thickest armor that you develop in improv. The amount of times, like I remember like my day one of improv, like my very first scene. I don't even know what I said, but I remember viscerally feeling like that did not land like at all. And so to your point, like, yeah, I think just practicing talking with people is so helpful when it comes to networking at film festivals, and then you can take it beyond film festivals and just like when you're when you're working with someone, like like for me, I work in post, so a lot of the times it'll be me by myself or me in a Zoom meeting, but like my director and I will be in the same room with each other, and you need to be good at just communicating thoughts and feelings and um all that. So it's all super helpful.

SPEAKER_02 9:25

Yeah, and I think there's like a baseline where if you come in honest of where you're at as well, um like people will meet you and you'll you'll realize like who your your people are, and some folks who just have like a nice like conversation about the weather and move on. Um I know what I've started doing is like when I am tired and or overstimulated, if somebody comes up to me like, hey, how's it going? I'm like, I'm good. I'm a little overstimulated, but I'm good. And most of the time they'll be like, Oh my god, me too. And that'll start the conversation. So I don't have to be like, oh my god, everything's fine. I'm like, no, no, no, like this is where I'm at. I'm a little tired, but I'm good. I need some sleep. Absolutely. And most of the time, like 99% of the time, people are like, same.

SPEAKER_00 10:09

Absolutely. And then that's that's the case just in life in general, too. You know, it's like being honest about how you're feeling. Um, there's like a couple times where like bad stuff, not but just like life happens, you know, and with work, you just have to be like, hey, I'm like, I'm letting you know I'm here, but I'm my brain's kind of in another place right now, and that's where being open and honest is super, super important with that. But for Soft by Southwest, I use that all the time. Like, I I kind of always leaned into when someone asked me, Hey, like, how are you doing? I'm like, I'm so good, I'm exhausted.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

Like, especially after the uh the premiere of Sender, which is the film that I was an assistant editor on. We were up until like 2, 3 a.m. or so. And the next day I was like, just you know, in Spike Lee movies when characters are just like floating and the camera's like moving, and they're just like you don't see like their body shimmy, they're just like floating like to camera. That's exactly how I felt like the next day, just like floating from I think um John Mullaney had a funny bit one time where it's like sometimes I just feel like uh a head going from room to room, just like like their bodies like guiding them, but like they're not in control of that, and definitely at like those festivals. Oh, you know what? Another thing that really helped for uh South by Southwest is that they had free coffee every day. Yeah, like at the Fairmont Hotel, I believe. And so I would I stayed like 15-ish minutes north of the downtown area, and I didn't pay for coffee at all because I would just go to the Fairmont and I'd have to like, and it's a fucking mission to go from like there to the Fairmont and then to walk from the Fairmont all the way to like the downtown area, but I was like, I need my coffee, just like like on a fucking trek over there.

SPEAKER_02 12:00

But I'm sensing a coffee theme in your life.

SPEAKER_00 12:04

Listen, it's I just have to say I like coffee a lot. I do. You know what's funny? I like when I went to college and even in high school, like I didn't drink coffee like at all. But come like sophomore year or so, I actually started drinking coffee because my roommate and one of my best friends, his name is Joe. He he was a barista, so he would always just bring free drinks and I'd be like, oh, this is good. But I think truly I'm I'm more so a sugar addict than I am like a caffeine addict because your boy do be drinking a lot of lattes. Um and so, which is really just like a conduit for sugar, you know, sugar and like fat and milk.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

Well, you said orchata, and I was like, that's orchata latte, like that's just sugar. That's sweet water.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

That is absolutely just sugar. Like if you would if you if you'd like stab me right now, it would just be like dried rice that's like performed back from like somehow my blood reverse engineered like a sandbag that came out. Um, what was the question? I don't remember.

SPEAKER_02 13:11

There was none, but we will be starting hot cakes. So we're gonna put 60 seconds on the clock. Um just oh, you're ready. Okay, let's go. Yes. What's the difference between a good edit versus a great edit? One word, go.

SPEAKER_00 13:28

Uh pacing.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

Comedy or drama?

SPEAKER_00 13:30

Comedy.

SPEAKER_02 13:31

Favorite movie.

SPEAKER_00 13:32

Oh my god. Um The Iron Giant and or Natur Libre.

SPEAKER_02 13:37

More powerful, silence or music?

SPEAKER_00 13:39

Oh. Silence.

SPEAKER_02 13:41

Favorite dance move.

SPEAKER_00 13:43

Um the uh Fortnite floss.

SPEAKER_02 13:46

Are you or organized? Yes or no?

SPEAKER_00 13:50

Yes, I have to be.

SPEAKER_02 13:51

Do you ever dream about the film you're editing?

SPEAKER_00 13:54

Yes, I do. I I mostly have dreams about Mexican restaurant in the L.

SPEAKER_02 13:57

Okay, go, go. Mexican restaurant in LA.

SPEAKER_00 14:00

Oh my god. Um taco down my house.

SPEAKER_02 14:03

What's your skincare routine? Go.

SPEAKER_00 14:05

I don't have it.

SPEAKER_02 14:07

Zombies are taking over. Where do you go to hide?

SPEAKER_00 14:10

Uh, Costco. Oh my god, that was so stressful.

SPEAKER_02 14:22

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SPEAKER_00 15:09

No, I've heard really good things about it.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

They have like a bit with Zip Zap Zop. Did they really? Yeah, it had it, and I was like, I just was dying laughing. Um highly recommended. It was really fun. We've we binged it uh recently. Oh hell yeah. Yeah. Um, but let's get weird. Um, in a non-improv way. Um but are you going down any rabbit holes right now? Like, do paranormal, like do you believe in ghosts, aliens, dreams?

SPEAKER_00 15:37

Interesting. Uh for paranormal, there's not like a rabbit hole that I'm found myself in, but if it's a question of like, do I believe? It's like yes, comma, maybe. Okay. There there was um my sister. Yes. I just want to make sure that the scribe is getting our notes right. Our PA with us is getting our notes right.

SPEAKER_02 16:04

The first lady is telling me to wrap it up.

SPEAKER_00 16:06

That's so funny. Um, I my sister lives in like the Sonoma area in California, and she just got a house like within the past like two years. We found out that there was a woman who passed away in the house, and no one found her body for like a solid two weeks. And I like didn't find out about that until I was there expecting to spend the night. And it's a terrible thing. And listen, all I'll say is that what I then experienced could be many different things, many different things. That night, I obviously had that engraved in my head, and I was in this in their spare bedroom, and my sister had like a spare, I think it's called like a purple mattress, or it's like almost like like rubbery type of like a mattress, like it's not like a Costco mattress that's like cotton or whatever, or I had springs inside of it. It was almost like jello, like sleeping on jello. So I was there, and I all of a sudden I just like knew that I was like awake, but I couldn't open my eyes, and I couldn't move my body. Yeah, I couldn't move my body, I couldn't open my eyes, but laying in bed, I felt like a heavy presence in the room. And then all of a sudden, I feel like the weight of the bed shift as if someone sat down next to me. And I was straight up just like, oh my god, I can't do anything right now. And I think the lady who died is next to me right now. And and then, like, straight up, I like started feeling her like strangle me. And I was like, I'm gonna die. I'm gonna die. And uh at the point, my my grandpa who has since passed, was still like alive and and fighting um and all that good stuff. So I would just like think about my grandpa. Again, my grandpa's like the holiest man I've ever known, just straight up Mexican, Catholic, Latino, like we'll we'll what you need, like summon exactly, and like we'll summon like St. Michael to come down and like fight a demon for you. So I like started thinking about him, and and then all of a sudden, like literally, like I just opened my eyes and I was in the space, and I was like, everything was fine. And I was like, I don't know what the fuck just happened.

SPEAKER_01 18:22

Like, thank you, grandpa.

SPEAKER_00 18:24

Yeah, no, straight up, and like after chatting with people, I just like, oh, you had sleep paralysis, it's okay. And I was like, but what are the fucking chances I had sleep paralysis after like finding out that news?

SPEAKER_02 18:33

That is real.

SPEAKER_00 18:34

So yeah, that that was my crazy story. And then I I I ended up sleeping like another time at their place, knowing I was like, I'm probably gonna get possessed again, and that's fine, I guess. But but now she had cats, and I don't know if you have cats or if anyone else, like if anyone listening has cats, but they're like a bridge to the spiritual world, and I do believe that. So, like, because they know what's up more than we do, right? And so knowing that there was like cats around, I felt a little safe because it's like, oh, if something's going on here, then then I then I'll know about it. And there was one time where um Loki, one of the cats, Loki just like staring in the corner. Yeah, that's a funny. She was just staring in the corner of the room, and I'm like, Oh no. Oh well. Oh no. But we're fine.

SPEAKER_02 19:19

Yeah. I I don't have cats, but I once um for a show we did uh tech in a and it was in a different city, and um this like board member of the theater had a beautiful home, and she let us stay there for tech. And I was there was this cat who was like a dog. He was awesome.

SPEAKER_00 19:42

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

But I didn't know that they like needed what is it called when they like yes, kneading when they're like on a pillow or whatever. Yeah, and they're kind of like pressing down with their paws. Well, this cat came in at at night into my room and then just gave me a full back massage.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Oh, that's what's up. I was like, This is the cat was like, you seem stressed.

SPEAKER_02 20:05

Yeah, like calm down. And it literally was just like on my shoulders, like here.

SPEAKER_00 20:10

That's so cute.

SPEAKER_02 20:11

But it was like oddly sexual, and I was just like, This cat needs to get the fuck out of my room.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

Well, well, how did you feel when you looked around and the cat was looking at lips?

SPEAKER_02 20:23

It was actually puss and boots. Uh he was like, Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 20:29

And you're like, you know what? I might be down. The only cat I think I'd let me do that to me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:41

Well, if Alejandro uh uh what's his name? Alejandro Oh my god. Alejandro Banderas. Alejandro Banderas? Antonio Banderas.

SPEAKER_00 20:50

Antonio Banderas, yes.

SPEAKER_02 20:52

If Antonio Banderas is voicing the cat, 100%. I mean, what can you do? You can't say no. You just he's a sexy man. He's a sexy man.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

What if it was like John Mullaney?

SPEAKER_02 21:03

Hello! John, get off the bed.

SPEAKER_00 21:12

But was the show good after Yeah, the show was good.

SPEAKER_02 21:15

Okay, yeah, yeah. Theater's theater, you know. Uh yeah, we're taking a break right now, and I'm focusing on film. But yeah, I did theater for like six, seven years.

SPEAKER_00 21:28

In Chicago or in Texas?

SPEAKER_02 21:30

In Chicago. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was very, very fun. Um let's chat real quick about film independent, and then you're not going away without talking about Sender, because I know we talked about it really quickly, but like please name drop because it is it is a big friggin' deal.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

Yeah, no, um, Sender was such an incredible experience, honestly. Um, and that film allowed me to join the editors union, which is a big deal.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

In Hollywood, or if you're in the post-production scene, but I'm oh and Cender has Jamie Lee Curtis as as yes and uh can you name drop the other actors?

SPEAKER_00 22:10

Yeah, yeah. So the the film Sender, it's backed by you know a couple handful of people, but Jamie Lee Curtis is one of the biggest executive producers behind it. It's starring Britt Lauer. Um it has and Britt Lauer of Severance fame. So as you may tell, there's a big name recognition, re recognition with them. And it was it was like one of those things where because I've worked on many different projects before with like some celebrities, especially like masterclass and whatnot. But this is one of those things where I would open up the project every day and be like, that's Brit Lauer, or or that's that's Jamie Lee Curtis, and to me it was kind of like a a level up moment too, where it's like, oh, I'm working on bigger and better things right now. Um but yeah, the the process of like creating the film was fairly smooth for the most part. I mean, obviously, editing and post-production, you have your highs and lows. But um, when I joined the project, I I actually met my editor at a speaking of networking, at a networking event. Um, there was a Latinex in post event where a lot of Latino people show up and we talk about editing and post-production.

SPEAKER_02 23:17

And he went to he went to school in Chicago. Is he? Yes, he did.

SPEAKER_00 23:22

Yeah. Uh yes. Uh Marco Rosas is was the editor of Sender. Incredible guy. And when I met him, I was very vocal, like, oh, I I want to join the union. And he's like, All right, clocked it. Fast forward a year later, he gets an opportunity to edit this feature film, which is his first feature film, and he hits me up saying, like, hey, I know you want to join the union. Would you like to be my assistant editor on this project?

SPEAKER_02 23:44

Wait, that was his first feature film?

SPEAKER_00 23:46

That was his first feature film.

SPEAKER_02 23:47

Shut up!

SPEAKER_00 23:48

Yeah, dang. To to to his credit, he's edited so much. Well, I'm sure. Like he's he's going from one short from I think he like might have edited like two shorts, like while editing this feature film. Like, he is the definition of like I've put in my 10,000 hours because he has he's really talented. And and with the sender film in general, if you get a chance to watch it, whoever you know is is watching right now, it is a fever dream. Like it's very fast, and we're dealing with a character who's a recovering alcoholic, which is Brit Lauer's character, and she has a very busy mind. And the justification would be really, really well. Exactly. That's the justification of the edit where it's like we're going from one thing to another. There's moments where like we don't really know what's linear anymore. And that was a visual language that Marco and Russell Goldman, the director, like came up together. Um, and I was there just to help out along the way to the point where like Marco would ask for things, I'd give it to him, he'd give me scenes to kind of like clean up and do like very light sound design on, which I love sound design, so it was an honor to like work on a couple scenes here and there. Um and then yeah, like it was very well received at South by Southwest. Um, if you wanna send me your thoughts, whoever's listening, let me know because I'm very curious to know like what people think of the movie.

SPEAKER_02 25:10

And then you said it got into a few more festivals.

SPEAKER_00 25:13

Yeah, it got into a festival in San Luis Obispo, um, and then also into the Florida Film Festival as well. Um, and there's a oh, it also got into the San Francisco Film Festival as well, which that's special because I'm from the Bay Area. Um, I've been to the San Francisco Film Festival, and it like it's such a great festival, and I'm just happy that people are gonna be able to check it out before you know. I I don't know what the update is on distribution, but I'm hoping that there'll be a deal eventually and even more people will be able to check it out.

SPEAKER_02 25:44

That's awesome. And then film independent. Anything for them totally, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:50

I so again, I'm I I'm an assistant editor by day, but editing is the passion for me, to be honest. Um, and there's like a multiverse version of Alex where it's like I can either edit live action or I can edit animation. And I love I love both, hence the Pixar. Pixar I'm wearing. But to me, animation is just like so fun to edit because you're the the general concept is that you're getting storyboards, which are sketches on a piece of paper, or sketches on on Photoshop or whatever, and you put it in an editing system and you make it work, like you give it rhythm, you give it pacing, you put sound effects and audio and people talking, and you're the one building the entire film, you know? And it's like we edit the whole film before we actually film it. And so I vocalized this to my interview at Film Independent, and now I'm editing uh I am editing the comedy film that I mentioned earlier, and I'm also editing a stop motion animated film, uh both short films as well. So I'm super excited for both of them. Um, if anyone is in a giving mood, um, we are actively funding. We'll be funding for like the next year or two. Um, but one of the products that I'm working on is called Toin Coss. And no, it's not it's not Coin Toss, it's Toyne Coss.

SPEAKER_01 27:08

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

Um, I don't actually know how much I'm able to speak about the premise itself, but it is an incredible team. It is a very queer-driven story as well about choosing the third option. Um, but if you want to check it out or potentially donate to the film, we have an Instagram page called Toin Coss Film. And aside from that, I'm also working on the stop motion animated film, which by the way is also co-produced by Leica Studios, which, if you haven't heard of them, they've done like The Missing Link, which won an Oscar a couple years ago. Yeah, they they don't a they're like the stars house in the world. Yeah, yeah. They're still trying to break in, you know, break through. Um, but another incredible team of of people. Um, if you want to donate or support that film as well, it's called Stop Hitting Your Sister underscore film on Instagram. Um, and you can also just like follow me as well, Alex G Edit, on on Instagram, and we can talk shop. And I'm for me personally, I love these filmmaking like initiatives and incubators because it just helps me get those reps in and meet people because like this industry is so hard. And the more you meet people, the more you're able to support each other. And I'm also a big proponent of like giving advice to people who are up and coming in the post-production world. So if you ever have anything, you know, things you want to chat about, hit me up and I'll be happy to talk shop.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

You're the best. Thank you so much for being on the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

That was so fun. What the heck?

SPEAKER_02 28:46

That's why they call him Alexander the Great. That's a really dumb joke. Um, but this was a really awesome episode. If you laughed, giggled, um, you know, learned something about editing, please like, subscribe, and make sure to follow Alex on all the social medias. He's honestly wonderful. All of the crew and cast from Sunder were incredible. We hung out probably the entire South by uh weekend. It was was really, really fun. Get out there, say yes to more things, and maybe, maybe perform in front of a large crowd. Because after that, everything else is easy. All right, thank you so much. Appreciate it. Bye. Ilse Will Say is an Entrepida Entertainment podcast produced and edited by Jacob Cagle, music by Eric Bacchus, and photography by Joel Mysenet, and I am your host, Ilse Sacharya Rivera. The views and opinions expressed on Ilse Will Say are entirely those of the host and guests, and do not reflect the views of any employers, sponsors, or innocent bystanders. This podcast is for entertainment purposes only. Nothing said here should be taken as professional advice, expert opinion, legal guidance, or a reason to DMSU conspiracy theories. We're here for the laps, y'all. Carry on.