SPEAKER_01 0:02

So how how how have you been? How has it been lately?

SPEAKER_00 0:06

Um it's you know things have been been going good. I I uh are going well. I did two short films at the end of August. Um I d in three days I did two shorts.

SPEAKER_01 0:18

Whoa.

SPEAKER_00 0:19

And then right after that, um I had under two weeks to do like this book trailer for this influencer.

SPEAKER_02 0:27

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00 0:27

And um I was able to get a team together and get that done. So I was I was super busy with that. That was fun. And then I just I recently got an offer for a new job, so like a day job.

SPEAKER_01 0:38

Okay, congrats.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Because all this extra shit I do. And am I am I allowed to swear? Oh yeah, 100%. Okay. Yeah. You know what? Yeah, I think John Wolfe. I'm pretty sure John John Wolf was cussing. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Um your first dating app match goes great. Good drinks, good banter. You step outside together, and the news breaks that the world might be ending. Or it might be another false alarm. You have no idea. My guest turned that night into a short film and shot it as one long, uninterrupted take. No cuts, no safety in it, just two actors and the apocalypse. Welcome back to Ilse Will Say, the podcast where we always let the conversation roll. Welcome to my brain. I am Ilse, your host, and if the world were ending, I'd be praying my maps app still work because I am terrible with directions. My guest is a Chicago writer, director, producer, and the founder of Northern Pines Pictures. His debut short connection at the end of the world took home the audience award at Shortcut 100, and his two leads won Best Acting Duo at the Independent Shorts Awards. Then he turned to horror with Volatile and Intruder. And yes, he shot that one in one single take two. When he's not behind the camera, he's behind the mic, hosting the longest take podcast, where he talks with filmmakers from Evil Dead to Frogman. He also hosts its spinoff, the tallest. You're gonna you might have to help me with this. Kaiju. Kaiju podcast. All kaiju all the time. And my guest today, boy, does he know how to keep the camera rolling? Please welcome John Steamack.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

Thank you, Brenda. Um Yeah, no, I I appreciate that. I've heard your intros on other episodes, and I was like, ooh, I wonder what this is gonna sound like, and I loved every second of it.

SPEAKER_01 3:00

Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

No, no, no, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 3:03

Um I honestly I I do a good amount of sleuthing beforehand, but you don't have a lot of sleuthing to to to get. I I have gotten some deep cuts for people, and I was trying to find some, but you've done a pretty good job. You did a pretty good job on the internet.

SPEAKER_00 3:20

Um I'd like to think so.

SPEAKER_01 3:22

Um would you mind like doing a little like you know, elevator pitch, one, two sentences of of kind of like your life and how you've gotten to where you are now.

SPEAKER_00 3:37

Just so when it like as it pertains to filmmaking, I've always been a fan of movies growing up. When I was a kid, I would get like uh I had the Intel Play movie maker when I was in like elementary school, it was really crappy, but I loved it. And um then high school, I just didn't really care about actually learning anything, so I didn't do well, and I had an opportunity to go to a film school after high school. Didn't want to do that either. The film school or like where did you grow up? Oh, sorry, um Lombard, Illinois. So suburbs. Yeah, suburb boy here. And yeah, so I uh I had a little bit of an opportunity to go to Michigan somewhere that was like they they had a little film program that no longer exists. So I think I dodged a bullet there, but also the academic side of me was terrible back then. So I'm glad I didn't waste any more of my money or my parents' money to do something that you know is not gonna benefit me at all. So I went right into factory work and that evolved over time to being an EHS, environmental health and safety. I became I am currently a specialist at a chemical facility, and as I navigate that professional day job side of me, I've been working on movies, and my first short film I wrote and directed, Connection at the End of the World, um, I was able to film and release last year. And since then, I'm on number six. So I did a book trailer, which I count that as number six because that is kind of in itself a short film. 100%. But yeah, so number number six, and I'm trying to do more.

SPEAKER_01 5:20

I love to hear that. I love to hear that because there's nothing worse than having ten ideas and being a perfectionist and trying to do just one. It's just like be prolific, not not perfect, in my big fat opinion. Um what what uh like inspired the the six films? Like what how so I always kind of say that, but like what what is your thought behind that and why why have you been so prolific thus far?

SPEAKER_00 5:50

Yeah, so for me, when it comes to short films, I've been, you know, just just by trying to do stuff with like connection at the end of the world, you know, when you have a short film, you could try to put it into festivals, but it's a very difficult um industry to navigate in. Um you spent a lot of money. I accidentally spent a lot of money trying to submit it places, and then you get a whole bunch of rejections, and it's like, why did I why did I get so trigger happy with this?

SPEAKER_01 6:18

And um sometimes it's like one click on on uh film freeway, right? You're like, oh I guess, yeah, next, next.

SPEAKER_00 6:26

This sounds good. Oh, this will be cool to play at. Or it's like, oh, Sundance, yeah, sure. And it's like, dude, why do I think it's gonna get in Sundance? Like what what the hell am I talking about? Um but yeah, so there there was a lot of that. So because of short films don't have much of an ROI return on investment, I'm like, alright, I'm gonna, you know, I get an idea for a short film, I'm gonna I'm gonna get it done. All right, I have the idea. I wrote this script, all right. Let me try to get this shot soon. So I start, you know, once I get that script done, I'm reaching out to friends that could be crew, and then once we get that established, I'm like looking for, you know, potential uh performers for it. And it's just because I don't want to spend too much time on it. I also don't want to spend too much like energy or even money on it, but I do want to use it as a way to uh practice, you know, uh myself as a filmmaker, but also um get a feel for for different genres and ideas, and you know, sometimes it is really cool to to get it in like a friend's showcase or I could do a showcase like I did uh just last week. Um I did a horror short showcase and I showed two of mine there, and you know I I just I I like being able to get them done. I like being able to work with new people and I just uh keep the momentum going until I could land like a feature film idea or situation funding, all that fun stuff.

SPEAKER_01 7:57

Uh well I you I it was all fun until you said funding.

SPEAKER_02 8:03

Yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

That's yeah, that one's tough. So from like idea to filming, how how long of a process is that for you? I'm just curious.

SPEAKER_00 8:14

Um, it it depends on the idea. So Connection at the End of the World took a few months because I I had uh finished up that script I think in November of 2024, and that's when I started. Um I went to the Arrogant Frog, which is what uh Filmmaker Um Chicago Film Club Filmmaker Fridays? No, no, no, it was a it's a Wednesday, they do it on Wednesdays. Um and I went there once, but I met my good friend Natalie who composes for all my films, and she's wonderful, so I will always be grateful for the arrogant frog, but I've only been there once. And I had gone there with the script, and at first, since I was a writer, I'm like, Yeah, I'll see if someone wants to make my movie I wrote, and that's just not realistic. It's so funny because they want to do their stuff.

SPEAKER_01 9:03

Yeah, but it's so funny because directors are always like, I could never find a script, so I have to write it myself. And then writers are like, I can never get a director to direct my film.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

Yeah, absolutely. And bonus if they're just really incredible at what they do, which she is. Awesome. Um, she she uh she's a violinist in like three different bands, so I occasionally go and I'll see her live with uh whatever band. But um, yeah, so I I was trying to shop it around and it wasn't working, so eventually I was like, I started just looking because um I entered it into some like screenplay contests when I got like awards for the script, which like now it's like okay, they're yeah, because they're they're fake, right? Like a lot of those laurels that you could get on film freeway, and you look them up and it ends up just being like these fake well everybody is award-winning now.

SPEAKER_01 9:57

I don't know if you've noticed.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

Yes, and part of why I did it, it's like okay, now I could like promote this script. Yeah, it's won this many awards, you know, award-winning script, blah blah blah. Um and my buddy, a close friend of mine from high school, he does filming for tiny home tours out west, and he lives out of his van. Wait out there. So he's like a nomad.

SPEAKER_01 10:19

What yeah, they have to do what tiny how what tiny house?

SPEAKER_00 10:23

It's it's just um tiny home tours interviews people just around the country in their in their homes.

SPEAKER_01 10:31

My uh my friend it has like the YouTube channel for Tiny Homes, and so I'm wondering if he works.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

Oh, they yeah, it's them. Is that the Tiny Homes YouTube that has like a million something? Yeah. Yeah, no, ask him ask him if they know Brian Butler, just so we can make sure. But Brian Butler's his name. Wow, he does the videography for those guys, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

Or at least one of the people, but yeah, Jenna, I think is Jenna. Yeah, Jenna.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

I'll yeah, I'll ask him, I'll ask him if he knows a Jenna. Because yeah, that's that's super cool because uh he's been doing that for a while. Wow, yeah, they're doing it. And he lives out of his van, so he's like traveling with them all the time. But um he saw that and he was like, Yeah, I've been wanting to make narrative stuff, and then from there we got together and we made it. And I was like, Oh, and another side note too, um, because the the whole process, I appreciate connection at the end of the world so much. Um, because it's my first baby that was out there, but also just like you learn so much from it. Like, I um when I was looking for actors for it, um, I had a quite a few people be like, Yeah, no, I'm interested in this, but why does it have to be a wonder? Have you thought about maybe doing it like this way? And I'm like, I really want it to be a wonder, so I'm I'm gonna do it as a winner. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 11:48

And and question on that, because that was one of my questions. What's with the one take?

SPEAKER_00 11:52

I just I love them so much, and um I'm so annoying. Like, if someone's seen a movie with me in theaters and there's a wonder in it, I'll lean over and be like, the camera hasn't cut. Like, I'm just like, I just I love it. I think that it's so impressive because there's so much orchestrating around not cutting.

SPEAKER_01 12:13

What's the TV show that Adolescence? Yeah, with that like your thing where you're like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

Yeah, I was like, people were talking about winners after adolescence, and I'm like, I was obsessed before adolescence. And like every time I talk about it, they're like, oh, like adolescence, and it's like, yeah, but like my short film was before that movie, that uh TV show came out.

SPEAKER_01 12:35

Similar but different when Frozen came out with Elsa. I was like, my I I came before Elsa. Like I I feel the feeling, I know. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

Okay, so I just yeah, it's so it's especially at so action is super um sorry, I just love geeking out about winners. Um action is so impressive with it because just so many different things that you have to get right for it to work out. And John Wick has these really long takes. The raid movies have really long takes, and um yeah, I just um I I like that it's my thing. People people around the community, um Nick Cartwright, uh you know him. He did uh the cinematography for Intruder. Oh, cool, yeah. Whenever he thinks about winners, he always talks to me because that's yeah, it's it's my little obsession there.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

I'm not like that impressed by them. And this is and I and I I know, I know. I am so sorry, I am so sorry, I am so sorry. I am letting all of the things. I'm logging off right now. Thank you so much for being on the podcast. Um to me, it's like just theater.

SPEAKER_00 13:48

See, that's why I love it.

SPEAKER_01 13:49

Like I never got into theater It's just theater, but you like block a camera into your Yeah, in into the uh choreograp uh choreography.

SPEAKER_00 14:22

Yeah, and to me that's like I like that a lot because it really makes the performers like you know, it really showcases their skill to maintain a performance. Yeah, right, exactly. You're gonna know whether or not someone's gonna be good for that.

SPEAKER_01 14:40

Yeah, I will say though, like with with adolescents when they like put the camera in a car and then on a drone, and then like that for sure so cool. It's so cool. Um and there is to that rehearsal beforehand, I'm sure, to like make sure that the camera moves with the actors and the actors are hitting their marks. What is that rehearsal process like for you?

SPEAKER_00 15:05

Yeah, so we did a couple Zoom rehearsals and then the day of we did a dry run where day of, yeah, we actually walked through it because we were just um kind of guerrilla filming it in um downtown Lombard, my old suburb where I used to live. And um we did a dry run where we just they didn't talk, but they kind of like they were getting like the timing of the lines over and they're just thinking about it, and then from there we went right into it.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

I just heard about that specific type of rehearsing of especially like for comedy, apparently. I I I haven't tried it yet, but um like Lucille Ball um and Sandra Bullock was talking about it, like where you rehearse the physicality but you don't rehearse the lines. Like you you know, and it that that is interesting. What do you think the difference is between rehearsing the physicality and maybe like the cues versus saying the lines out loud?

SPEAKER_00 16:06

I think so definitely for something like this, it was um we had a specific path. Um I think it might have been like half a mile or something, but we had a specific p path where they walk and where they end up, and then that's where like the final um framing of the scene is uh they sit, they sit down at a bench together, and to get there, to get from where they start at the restaurant to where they get to the the bench, we want to make sure to get it right from like um like a like where they're gonna be physically so we can make sure that like okay if if they're if they need to stop sooner or we need to find a bench a little bit further out. And an example of that is the original bench they were gonna sit at was a little further up in the park, and we realized during that walk that the it was wrapping up where they should already be sitting. Oh that's why for something like that the physicality was important to rehearse because it was it was pivotal to the whole layout of the short. Um because they're walking and we're just walking with them. But something like Intruder, where there was like no dialogue except in the beginning, that was very much all physicality because there was nothing being said. Uh kind of, yeah. There's like a little tussle at the end, but that was mostly just um gets a character and kills them, and then gets another one and kills them. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:35

And just I have a great I have a couple of great choreographers, um, if you ever wanted to those are so fun. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

Um also I I adore it so much. Especially for Warners, man. Like Warner's Warner action sequences, that's what I was saying earlier. Those are pretty cool. Because like, do you see that in theater?

SPEAKER_01 17:55

Like, um yes, you do see the the the fight.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

It's harder to be yeah, it's it's harder in theater to I think get a convincing fight sequence, you know?

SPEAKER_01 18:07

Yes, and also you just have to worry about one point of view, which is the audience, unless you're in a theater of the round or whatever. But with the camera, you have to be always aware where the camera is so that like if you're slapping somebody, there's no air between that and you know, so it it's it's that is more of a ballet in my opinion. It's you know, there there is that that fluidity that is needed for it. So I just want to know because it's rough times out there, um, what does it mean to be like a decently happy adult? And what do you do to help yourself be this joyous self?

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Um, so like behind closed doors, I'm I'm kind of like an anxious mess a lot of the time. Who I think that the you know the the joy that uh you know I I sometimes feel, but I I may present, it's oftentimes like a weapon against, you know, the the anxiety or you know the more more sad things. And I've got a seven-year-old which very much helps me keep my you know um keep my joy alive. And um I try to look on the bright side of things just because like, yeah, the world sucks. Don't have a lot of hope in it right now, but it's like I do want there to be uh some sort of happy ending to the world so my son can grow and thrive. Like I I I'm a doom and gloomer, but I uh I try to be positive because like, yeah, my my son's gonna be growing up in this world. I don't want I I don't want to believe it's terrible. Um it's it's kinda I gotta you know it's like a defensive joy, you know, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

I like it, I like joy as a weapon. Um because I've always thought like the best revenge is being happy. Like whatever happens, the best revenge is just like letting it go and being happy. And I like that joy as a weapon against like anxiety and maybe like the the not so fun parts about the world right now. Um and what's one piece of advice you'd give other filmmakers or your younger self?

SPEAKER_00 20:38

Just in general?

SPEAKER_01 20:39

Yeah, just in general. I feel like I don't know, I want to infuse like some joy, some something for folks. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:48

Yeah, yeah. So definitely you can learn something from anyone, right? And that's something I've learned in both my professional career and filmmaking, is that even if you don't get along with somebody, someone rubs you the wrong way, or you just flat out don't like them, there's always something you could learn from that person. And I think as long as you practice that idea, um, it's not as like troublesome to to deal with this, it's not as much of a burden, you know what I mean? Because at the end of the day, at the end of that interaction, if you're thinking like, okay, what am I gonna learn from this guy? Um and if you learn what not to do because maybe they're an idiot, well then boom, there you go. You learn that, right? Yep, absolutely. So that helps and be patient. Definitely patient is a virtue in all walks of life. So if a project isn't working out, or you're on set and uh thing everything's going wrong. Um just be patient. I am the type of person who loves when trouble happens because I love to troubleshoot. So not a lot of people are like that. So um just be patient when things come up like that. And and when you're looking for advice for like your script or something, know what you want out of the advice because I would say that a big chunk of people, a big chunk of people, and I'm sure they mean well, but there's a lot of people, especially in the film community, when they're giving you advice about your script or something, they're essentially just they're gonna tell you how they would do it instead, and I think that that's not how the advice should be given. Yeah, um, so nowhere. You want from that advice, and if a lot of people are telling you something won't work out, don't always think that it's not gonna work out. It it depends on what their advice is, but um, you know, don't let someone telling you nah, this isn't gonna work. Don't let that make you think, okay, this isn't gonna work. Yeah, get like an educated, you know, at that point, get an educated consensus, like, okay, how many people are telling me this shit's not gonna work? Um, like for me with with Connection at the End of the World, I I had like maybe two two actors at separate times, like, oh yeah, no, I I don't think this will work as a winner. And then I met Brian and I met Elena and Joel who were like, yeah, no, I love this. Yeah. Um so yeah, just definitely don't just seek, don't, don't seek just random advice. Just know what kind of advice you're looking for.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

And know who you're getting it from. Because it's for me, like let's say you I ask somebody about a feature film, and they're very accomplished in in other areas that are not feature films, like and they're like, oh, it's it can't be done. It might be because they've told themselves that about feature films. Absolutely. Um I also going back to the taking notes, oh my god, yes. And I think I heard this phrase, and I always I try to repeat it when when I get feedback that I don't enjoy. It's take the note, not the rewrite. So, oh, this beat isn't working. I would do XYZ. Like maybe don't take XYZ, but just understand that that beat itself isn't working and write it in your own terms. So yeah, going yeah, yeah. Because there's like, oh, I would yeah, I would do a card chase here. It's like, well, sir, we don't have the budget.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

Um Right, exactly, exactly. And it's like, sorry, like you shouldn't like it's it's what they wrote, not what you wrote. Exactly. You know? Yeah. Um so when people come to me for advice, I'm just like, what's your vision here? And what do you what do you want me to provide for you? Yeah, what type of notes do you want? Yeah, yeah, because I'll I'll read it and I'll be like, hey, this is exactly why I think it'll work. This is this is I'm gonna give you all the things that in my opinion will make it work, whatever it is you want to do, even if it's super crazy and ambitious, which that's I that's all like I wish more people would just get ambitious and just go out there and do their ambitious thing. Like Jerry Gonzalez, right? Like hamster in my head, you know? Yeah. Um just give me these crazy ideas. Um, intergalactic pizza boy. Just uh we definitely yeah, spaghetti man, yep. Yep, yep. Champion those. Um the the crazier the idea, let me know what it is, and I'll I'll work with you to try to see how it could be done realistically for like no budget. That's my favorite type of challenge, you know. Just make it work.

SPEAKER_01 25:23

Let's do some hot cakes. They're like hot takes, but they stack up. We're gonna do 60 seconds on the click. Are you ready?

SPEAKER_00 25:30

Yes. Do I get to hear the clicking or is it only imposed?

SPEAKER_01 25:32

Oh, it's only imposed.

SPEAKER_00 25:34

Oh, damn it. That would make me, you know, I think that would give me uh we have that clock in the house. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Ready?

SPEAKER_00 25:41

All right, yeah, I'm ready.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

Best one take scene in a movie history.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

Um, there are so many different ones, but I'm gonna say Russian arc because the whole movie was one take and it navigated this Russian museum.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

Best hot dog in Chicago.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

Um I'm a vegetarian, so the garden dog from Portillos.

SPEAKER_01 26:00

Favorite kaiju of all time?

SPEAKER_00 26:02

Godzilla.

SPEAKER_01 26:03

Which kaiju would you take on a first date?

SPEAKER_00 26:06

Godzilla. Shin Godzilla specifically. Shin Godzilla.

SPEAKER_01 26:10

Go-to snack on a long shoot day.

SPEAKER_00 26:13

Um uh Dunkin' Donuts, uh, hash browns and hash brown rap.

SPEAKER_01 26:19

Weirdest thing that's ever ruined a perfect take.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

Um not really any weird things, but like someone will be in the in the rhythm in the moment, and then they just like flub the line, and it's like, ooh, I was like into it, and then boom.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

Most haunted spot in Chicago.

SPEAKER_00 26:38

Um, I wish I knew because I would want to go.

SPEAKER_01 26:40

A kaiju or Taco Chicago? Which building goes first?

SPEAKER_00 26:43

Um, probably the Stairs Tower.

SPEAKER_01 26:45

What movie are you watching if the world ends tonight?

SPEAKER_00 26:49

Um lately it's been Nope by Jordan Peel.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

Ooh, do you do you believe in cryptids?

SPEAKER_00 26:55

Um, not really. Not not technically.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Thank you for playing. Thank you for playing. Okay. So kaijus, yes, cryptids and ghosts know.

SPEAKER_00 27:03

Like, I just I don't believe in ghosts. And cryptids, I feel like, and I would have I would have explained this in your your thing, but cryptids are just like baby. Do try and like keep it at 60 seconds. Yeah. Cryptid cryptids are definitely more like I think people see a known animal and they just like think it's something else, and that ends up being the case. Um because there's a lot of hybrid animals that exist, so when people see them, they they misremember it. People are really, really untrustworthy, and our memories are collectively terrible. So when someone says that they saw this monster or whatever, it's like I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

Well, I also I mean I I went to this old library and they had a book of um I don't know what year, but it like m 1800s of folks who have gone on expeditions, seen an animal, and then drew it, and like the rhino looked like uh like ri ridiculous. Like what what the heck is a rhino? Um and there were like a few others where we were trying to guess what animal it was, and it was it it looked ridiculous. So I could see how some cryptids would yeah. But we do get weird on this podcast. So is there any like yeah, yeah. What what do you believe what do you believe in if you don't believe in ghost simulation theory?

SPEAKER_00 28:23

Um weird dreams, um So I I love conversations about a lot of those things, and I'm obsessed with astronomy and space stuff, and um, I love cosmic horror like uh Lovecraft and and things like that. And um the game uh the video game I'm currently playing is Control Resonant, which deals very much with like different dimensions and alternate um very mind-bending stuff, yeah. Um so I I love that um and I love reading and and watching stuff about it, but um I'm just like I don't know, man. I'm just kind of like nihilistic in a way. Well, no, I'm it I'm an absurdist, so an absurdist is someone who recognizes like nihilism in the world, but it's it's it's like nihilism is the pessimist and absurdist is the optimist, where it's like nothing matters, but that's really cool because we could kind of develop our own meaning because like um upon that. Yeah, whereas a nihilist is like nothing's nothing matters and that sucks, you know. Fair, fair. So that's so that's kind of what I practice like in in in real life. It's um it's more just like that absurdist, and you know, unfortunately, things like ghosts are super cool in concept. Um, I want to say I would love to have a have an interaction with a ghost, but I think that would be traumatic if it happened and if it was real, but I just you know I've never experienced it, so I just I I don't believe it. I'm not the one to knock someone who does believe um or who experienced it, but I just have my own uh I believe that they believe.

SPEAKER_01 29:54

Do you know what I'm saying? Like um how do you bring absurdism into your daily life? Um, not maybe your films, but like daily life.

SPEAKER_00 30:09

Um, I just, you know, um it helps me when um you know I'm just having a bad day. Um absurdism is one of those things that just kind of helps get me through the bad days. Albert Camus is my favorite philosopher, and um I I have a quote of his in Volatile at the end, but um there's just some things that he says that I think are really great, you know, great quotes to live by. Like um one must imagine Sisyphus happy from his um essay The Myth of Sisyphus, which you know it takes this idea of Sisyphus rolling the boulder up the mountain for an infinite amount of times, and you know, it's this idea that like you know we have to just imagine that he's happy doing it. And you know, just imagining that happiness while he's doing it and makes it less of a bleak punishment and more of a hey, this guy just found his focus in life and he's rolling with it, you know. And um, there's another line of his that I like a lot. Um I know simply the sky will last longer than I, and I just like the acknowledgement of how temporary everything is because it just helps me appreciate everything a lot more.

SPEAKER_01 31:23

Yeah. I I love what you're saying. Um and I also immediately I was like, if I were to adopt this, I would dress up as a clown and just go like absurdism, like straight up, yeah. Yeah, and just like go outside and just fuck with people like that like free will, like I you know, just abuse your free will, you know. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

Fuck it, it doesn't matter.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

Well, it's funny because um because it doesn't matter, right? I I do I do have that mindset. Like we're here only for a short a brief amount of time, might as well make it fun. Like at the end of the day, we're all gonna die, might as well play as much as you can. Yeah. Um and within that, I just think something's shifted in me, maybe I don't know, maybe like a year ago, two years ago, where I was like, I just wonder what I can get away with. Like I just wonder what I can get away with. If this is just temporary, um, can I be happy every day? Can I play every day? Can I and then that that wonder that that changes someone. Is that sort of what you're talking about? Like versus like nihilism versus uh like being an absurdist?

SPEAKER_00 32:47

Yeah, yeah, definitely. And you know, similar to that, you know, it's this idea of like, yeah, things are temporary, so it just when you hold that deeper appreciation knowing how temporary things are, um, you know, it's it's much better to hold that that appreciation like in in a joyous sense or like a genuine appreciation sense, like hey, like um, you know, I'm not gonna let this go to waste, right?

SPEAKER_01 33:13

Well, I genuinely appreciate you. So uh thank you.

SPEAKER_00 33:17

I appreciate you as well.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

Um so uh I just want to talk really briefly before we get off this um call uh about the longest take and intruder. Where can folks find you what what is it about? Um take wonders, anything you've got.

SPEAKER_00 33:37

Yeah, so the longest take podcast is available where you could find all the wonderful podcasts, you know, Apple, um Spotify is the main one that I'll link to um because that's what I where I listen to my podcasts. Um uh yeah, and it's on YouTube as well. I have a YouTube channel called The Longest Take, and um on that YouTube channel you could find my short film Connection at the end of the world, and then this Halloween I will be releasing Intruder on there, so you'll be able to find it there. But you could also find all my updates on Instagram at the longest take podcast. Uh amazing little underscores.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

And again, your voice is so sultry. You've got that bottom drawer, baby.

SPEAKER_00 34:20

Um I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_01 34:23

Thank you so much for being on the podcast. This is a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_00 34:25

Yeah, no, I really appreciate it. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 34:32

Sean! That was so much fun. We sit on for another hour and chatted. Um, super cool guy, great voice, great voice, even though he doesn't believe it. Um, if you enjoyed listening to this podcast, if you learned anything from the one take wonder himself, uh please go follow him on the underscore longest underscore take underscore underscore underscore no uh podcast. Um and on YouTube as well as the longest take. So fun. Can't wait to see where he goes because I'm sure he's gonna do a feature film and one take at some point. Like, and it's coming. You know it. Uh, thank you so much for listening. Please like, subscribe, send me a DM. Tell me um if you're a nihilist. Uh what what's your leaning? No, never mind. Uh, maybe, maybe not. Maybe. I don't know. It might be interesting. All right. Thank you.

unknown 35:27

Bye.

SPEAKER_01 35:30

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